i think that the future generation who’s raised by ai slop made by clankers would end up supporting a future fascist regime in the us.
how do you think this can be solved?
AI has nothing to do with fascism. It’s a tool, and the left rejecting the use of this tool cedes this technology to fascists. Meanwhile, I would argue that what makes something slop or not is the intent behind it. Any piece of advertisement made by a human is far more slop than something generated using an LLM by a person genuinely wanting to express an idea in their head. We already live in a culture saturated by slop to the brim. You can’t go outside without being assaulted by advertisements on every corner.
is the solution collective ownership of the means of productions, as well as abolition of advertisting?
Ultimately that would be the goal, but we have to get there somehow from where we are today.
Fascism isn’t a grassroots movement, it’s an astroturfed one, funded by the bourgeoisie. The problem isn’t the tool (AI) so much as the user and their goals. Bourgeois think tanks & media outlets, like for instance PragerU, are going to produce & distribute reactionary content regardless of what tools are available.
I think it’s best not to adopt this slang term for AI bots given its racist origins.
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i know that fascism is NOT even grassroots. would ai (the most dangerous parts of it) enable fascism, given how astroturfed it is?
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is there any reason why you linked that article?
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so what should i call ai bots? bleep-blorpies? tinskins? wirebacks? metallions?
Definitely not wirebacks.
would ai […] enable fascism
Sure, but it can also be used for socialist agitation.
is it okay i can call ai bots “bleep-blorpies”, “metallions”, “botties” or “robotholes”? is “tinskins” NOT okay?
I haven’t looked into the origins of this latest list of terms, but 2 slurs have already been ruled out for their racially charged ties to other slurs and the tendency people who use them have to use them in ways that “pretend at” racism (i.e. saying that AI should be “segregated”) and that alone makes me wary of people who want to make up some slurs for AI, even if I generally find that it’s being used for things it’s wildly unsuitable for.
you mean “clankers” and “wirebacks”? so i CAN’T say that ai should be “segregated”?
Do you seriously not see the racist connotations? You can absolutely say that AI should be segregated. But I will assume you are a racist who wants to get away with “pretend racism” by directing it at AI instead of just being openly racist.
i’m NOT prejudiced in any way, shape and form. i care deeply about equity, inclusivity and freedom. that said, i read the npr article that you linked, and i sincerely apologize for saying words that were used against ai, but were used for microaggressions.
i am against the idea of ai being used for profit and such which is why i asked that question. i sincerely hope you forgive me. oh and are there any words i should use against ai chatbots? i’m NOT even sure if i ask if i can say ‘bleep-blorpie’ for ai bots.
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So the cool new technology that allows the poors to make stuff they couldn’t before will only ever be used to create fascist propaganda? If you really think this, help us change that, by using it yourself.
We can use the working class’ numbers advantage to outpropaganda the enemy. Now that the skill floor is so low and the iteration speed so fast, the owning class’ “more education access” and “more free time” advantages get greatly diminished.
how?
AI is a tool with certain use cases. Under capitalism, it’s used as a vessel for investment and is thrown into everything like a broken, false panacea. Under socialism, it’s already being used to help identify patterns, automate production, and is seen more as infrastructure. The over-application of AI to areas it does not meaningfully aid, and in many cases is a detriment, is an issue far larger in capitalism than socialism.
The importance of education and cultural hegemony isn’t in the tools themselves, necessarily, but in the class struggle of the state. AI wasn’t needed for bourgeois hegemony and fascism in the US Empire, the bourgeoisie used the tools they had. We fight this by mastering the tools they use and correctly agitating among the people for better.
the weirdest part is that ai slop is also being used for stuff like films, tv shows, commercials (yes, commercials - like in coca-cola and mcdonald’s), merch, music, and even kids’ material (like in youtube kids). there’s gonna be a future generation of people who were raised on ai slop to a point where they CAN’T even tell if something’s made by ai or NOT. seriously!
Yep, it’s presently being over-applied, but that doesn’t mean that’s permanent.
Yeah its sick. And people don’t even see it, which is scary. Im not susprised though. We said even when the internet began, dont trust it. We need to go back to not trusting it.
Hopefully the next Gen of kids do revolt against it, and i think they will. We need to keep reminding them what they were robbed of that we had (awesome internet, very few ads, media you actually own, no subscriptions, no data harvesting, no surveillance, not to mention less billionaires) otherwise they may assume life was always like this. Keep reminding them how great we had it, how the billionaires destroyed it, and how to get back to a better world in the future.
We don’t need to move the clock backwards, but forwards, into socialism. Life was not better evenly in the past, and we cannot simply “get it back.” History progresses, and trying to move backwards is reactionary, rather than revolutionary.
Sure, I think we can have both. I want to move back in the form of no walled gardens , less social media, media that we actually own, no intrusive ads, no data centers, third spaces, arcades. etc
Im not saying we need to destroy our smartphones and go live in a cave. But we need to educate people on all of the good things of the past that were lost, so we can get them back, and create new things.
I often hear even young people say “everything sucks now” which i agree with and try to explain, well, thats because of billionaires.
Im biased because I generally hate new things because they are designed only for greed, and I find nothing wrong with using old things that people think are obsolete because a corporation told them so. Example, people having big regrets that they tossed all their cds and records. I didnt, because I knew corporations would ruin streaming and besides that streaming is basically robbing artists. Thats another discussion lol.
You’re confusing the problems of capitalism, and technological development under it, with technological advancement. We need socialism, not a rejection of modern tech, to reshape how we use tech.
I agree.
Ill always just enjoy older tech, I always have! Unfortunately America is never going to latch onto the idea of socialism. Its completely demonized here and people believe you need to work to live or youre lazy.
I disagree, regarding socialism. Everything is in constant motion, and gradual quantitative buildup results in qualitative leaps, like blowing up a balloon and it popping. This is the advantage of dialectical materialism, as imperialism and capitalism decays and the class struggle heightens, the proletariat in the US Empire will gradually come to socialism.
how are we gonna teach all that to the next generation of kids who may be uninformed about it and say stuff like “what’s a ‘physical media’?”?
Its not hard to teach kids not to be dumb.
When I was 6 I was already well informed on books, what a typewriter was, and what a phonograph was. (Both over 80 year old tech at that time.
I think if less people shoved an iPad in their kids face, it would help.
One very easy example to show the importance of owning media: unplug the router (and take away the phone, which kids shouldnt have either unless its just a flip) teach that subscriptions are just paying to use someone else’s computer. Nothing more.
well i started using a pc when i was a toddler, and i remember watching vhs tapes when i was a kid and such. seriously!
Exactly! Its just a matter of teaching history really. Its of course easy for me to say because ive always loved learning about the history of everything and how things started.
Would be no different than a kid today playing forknight and having the curiosity to go huh I wonder how they made this game, and then I wonder how they made all the games before that, and wow, THATS how hard it was to make crash bandicoot? That’s amazing!"
Really its just teaching them that learning and curiosity are good, and boredom is a good thing that leads you to discovery. The constant dinging and social media addiction of smartphones is a cancer.
what if some kids sees unplugging the router and taking away the phone as a step too far in parenting?
My reaction to that is theyre a spoiled brat. Seems harsh but I stand by it.
Theyre not entitled to a phone or internet.
However, I wouldn’t frame it that way. There’s really no need to do that if they are indeed using the tech for good. If all theyre doing is watching ai slop videos and brain rot and talking to bots online, then thats when id stop it and explain why.
It also helps to have a house full of fun stuff that requires no internet connectivity.
is it weird to devote one’s time to teaching kids about socialism/communism in their spare time? if so, do you have any reasons why?
does anyone really think i should study socialist/communist theory a bit more?
are you still a de leonist?
then yeswhy?
de leonism is a dead-end meme ideology that has achieved nothing
why?
When has de leonism ever been put into practice? Historical revisionism doesn’t count as practice.
Current LLM technology would be a GREAT librarian or archivist.
If it was properly trained to give sources and only use existing texts for the basis of their answers, and they were trained on academic books, articles, manuals, blueprints etc.
You could download one to a computer or smartphone and have every village on earth be capable of building their own power sources, wells, learn about science etc etc.
It shouldnt try to be a “doer”, a coder, a marketer, a writer etc.
But it could basically be the best search engine for texts and guides ever.
i think ai should be used for quick web searching, recreational fun in the comfort of your home and such, but NOT for replacing human talent and NOT for profit (ie: the coca-cola and mcdonald’s christmas ads). seriously!
The issue with “AI” as we have it is that capitalism exists and is the prevailing system around the world. That’s it. Like all tech basically. It only sucks because the worst people control it and use it to make themselves even more powerful.
It can be solved with vibes, of course, because that’s the only thing you’ve presented here.
Why do you think a future generation raised by ai slop made by clankers would up supporting a future fascist regime in the US? Why do you think the last 200 years of the US hasn’t already been a fascist regime? How does ai slop interact with the way fascism develops?
Give us some thing, comrade.
🏆More patience than I’m usually able to muster.
there has been an influx of ai slop on youtube kids, amazon and such. if ai slop continues to be put out at the current rate and more kids in the future gets exposed and more exposed to it, the film “idiocracy” would end up becoming true; an extremely corporate and consumerist society populated by people who think that art made by talented humans is ‘nerdy’ (a lot like how people in the film consider 21st century english as pompous and nerdy).
worst of all, ai is being used for hatefulness and such - more and more kids are gonna be exposed to ai slop to a point where they’re NOT gonna tell if something is made using ai or NOT, and then they’re gonna ‘learn’ about extreme conservative values through ai. all this is gonna culminate in their adult selves being fooled into supporting corporatism and fascism, and it’s gonna culminate in the more hardline extreme republicans building a fascist regime.
oh and can you explain why the last 200 years of the us have been fascist, do you think i’m just throwing words together to form a coherent sentence, and do you think i should study socialist/communist theory a bit more? if so, do you have nay short material to study (with cowbee’s method)?
I can’t respond to everything right now. But re: 200 years of fascism, check out Aimé Césaire. Here’s an article about some of the ideas
Essentially think about fascism, imagine what you think it is, then think about the transatlantic slave trade and the genocide of the people of what we now call the Americas (named after an Italian, by the way) and think about how everyone in this hemisphere speaks a European language…
You know how we say shit like “without the allies we’d all be speaking German now”? Yeah. Why is everyone speaking one of the 4 colonizer languages in an entire hemisphere and why are hundreds of languages dead or dying here?
4 colonizer languages
i DON’T wanna call you a hypocrite (like the kind of person who says “you said we should improve society, yet you live in it”), but assuming english is among these languages, you’re posting in english. if we CAN’T use these four languages, can we use esperanto (a universal conlang)?
oh and also, i heard that cowbee’s method on studying socialist/communist theory is simply taking each paragraph and boiling them down in simple layperson’s terms. can i study that article you linked with that method? do you have anything on what you said that i should study with that method?
You’ll get no argument from me. I wouldn’t say it’s hypocritical to acknowledge reality. I am a colonizer, I speak one of the colonizers languages. My family brought their language here from Europe. I live on the lands of genocides peoples. I was raised to worship genociders, slavers, rapists, and tyrants as beacons of justice, goodness, and freedom
I never said we can’t use English. What I am saying is that when we speak of fascism, we talk about how brutal, violent, and totalitarian it is, out to including forcing everyone to speak their language.
You are asking about the potential for future fascist government in the USA and I am saying the US has been a fascist government since its founding - concentration camps by race, enforced racial hierarchy, enslavement, working slaves to death, profiting off of slaves, stealing children and stripping them of their culture and forcing them to live like us. These are all things the US has done and is doing.
what if the us becomes a socialist country during the great depression? would that solve the hierarchy problems?
what if the us becomes a socialist country during the great depression?
The US didn’t become a socialist country during the Great Depression, so while there might be value in trying to understand ways people might have worked towards it in that moment, theorizing about how things might be different now if someone had managed to seems pointless.
i’m just asking what would the us be like if it becomes a socialist country during the great depression. seriously!
No, the US is a white supremacist settler colony built on genocide and slavery. Socialism is insufficient for reparations. Reparations would require accepting the self determination of the indigenous nations still present, and the self-determination of the African diaspora in the country, as well as the dissolution of the boundaries between the US and Canada and between many of the states, and many other preconditions for reparations to proceed effectively. Then it would take decades, likely a century, of very difficult work advancing a collaborative strategy for thorough decolonization of the continent.
oh and i DON’T wanna be the kind of person who goes “you said that capitalism is bad, yet you’re using products of capitalism” (which if you can ask me i consider as a fallacy), but you live in the us. the first amendment allows for the freedoms of religion, of the press and of speech, and to assemble peacefully and to redress grievances. you’re exercising your right to express yourself and to redress grievances by stating something critical of the us, especially when the us became a country back in the 1770s and such.
what about the civil rights movement from the 1950s and 1960s? also, i support reparations. seriously!
