• ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
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    It’s an unusual choice for Virginia to celebrate getting its ass kicked but we all celebrate heritage differently. Minnesota, for instance, remembers success.

  • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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    virginian here

    keep it. that flag didn’t represent us when it was flying over our state. especially in my part of virginia support for the restored virginia movement and the union was high. the daughters of the Confederacy started remixing history as early as the 1880 to manipulate people into misunderstanding their own family legacy.

    the virginia legislature’s conservative position when jesse ventura was governor was the result of a century long project to disenfranchise, gerry-mander, and manipulate people out of having any meaningful support for progressive causes. we are still pulling out of that to the point that this year we had to choose between a Black nazi and a CIA agent for governor

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    Rights to culture cannot be sold. This is a bit ugly.

    If we must return the benin bronzes you should also return your result of thievery.

    That being said fuck justifying todays racism and separation by something that’s more than 50 years in the past.

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      I think i agree. But i make a distinction between objects of cultural and artistic significance and symbols of hate.

      If Germany wants a hypothetical giant golden swastica that was taken by one of the allies, then I’d be fine with their refusal. However I’d also be fine with them returning it if it is displayed in an appropriate way.

      If they want to display the convederate flag in a museum where it is put in context and educates the visitors about the atrocities of the slave states then I think it should be returned. If they want it back because its “ThEYr HerRiatAGE” … fuck their heritage.

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      Rights to culture cannot be sold. This is a bit ugly.

      If we must return the benin bronzes you should also return your result of thievery.

      what

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        Benin bronzes are the records of the history of the people in Benin.

        They currently reside in western Museums, since they came into possession of the colonial overlords. Sane people consider this injust.

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          No, I know what the Benin Bronzes are, I’m not seeing the connection to the contemporary war-flag of a rebellion that was captured in the course of a literal battle.

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        You must not plunder cultural objects in war. Just because you don’t like their ideals doesn’t make it right.

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          Yes, there was only one flag. Irreplaceable cultural object.

          Come the fuck on. The south is just butthurt that the north has proof they beat their asses.

          Eat shit and die mad racist cunts.

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          They didnt take a cultural artifact. They took a flag that their enemy was waving at them in the heat of battle. It was a weapon of war used against them.

          It only became a cultural artifact because they put it on display after the fact and made it one for Minnesota. Why would Virgina have a right to Minnesota’s culture?

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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          the southern cross was not a cultural object. it was a battle flag designed for the confederate army of virginia to identify itself in the field of battle as being the confederate army of virginia. when a union battalion defeated a confederate army of virgina battalion, they would take their battle flag as a symbol of defeat just as if the confederate army of virginia would take an american flag off a defeated union battalion.

          if you really think the southern cross represents virginia heritage and culture, you’ve been sold a set of lies by white supremacists. the true history of virginia is that the majority of residents did not support the confederacy, only the majority of property holding voters (slave owners) supported seceding, and even then enough of them didn’t to create a new state that seceded from virginia to join the union.

          further, if you think this symbol represents all of the south that is strict revisionism. this flag represented one army within a seditious “nation” that existed only for 5 years. please stop carrying water for racists. it makes it harder for people like me who grew up in the south with the truth to speak truth into future generations.

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      tell you what. when virginia shuts down red onion, minnesota can start thinking about treating us like we’ve moved on from our disgusting confederate legacy.