Where is the bear?
Crude, visceral culture war trash. Just like the bear thing! I refuse to engage, forming a take would be psychically damaging and a waste of my time. Always for love, never from fear :)
Btw a lot of people on lemmy are strongly against corpo social media, I won’t go further into why here but if you have to repost stuff from instagram using a frontend of some kind is greatly appreciated
I don’t like this. The linked post doesn’t play instead redirects to an app store. After backing out and selecting, “view in browser,” to view the clip in browser that I am already using, it actually played. But before anything happened, it asked me to sign in to see more.
I hate this trend. This trend is very bad. We should probably put the entire internet in the bin at this point.
It’s especially annoying when so many local bands I follow only use Facebook and Instagram to promote, much less internet memes.
Frontends are your friend! I use flufi.me. But most of the time I just avoid Instagram like the plague these days. Instagram is this unfortunate mix of essential local updates, toxicity, and unattainable beauty standards all wrapped up in a slop algorithm.
I’m confused. Is the idea that men are animals that can’t resist animalistic instincts unless explicitly trained? Common decency to not commit assault or do anything without consent shouldn’t be something that has to be trained into people???
I literally got groped at a bar the other night for daring to wear a pretty modest dress that went mid thigh with leggings on… Creepy guy just kept making weird tiger noises, bothering me and my friend, sitting in my seat when I went to dance and then finally groping me on the arse… I wasn’t enticing him and I wasn’t wearing anything particularly ravishing with anything on display (not that it is an excuse).
I’m not on tiktok or Instagram, but this hilarious, the whole scene. Everyone’s on the floor, even the chicken. What kind of scene is this?
On one hand — Good point about how women across cultures are treated like the guardians of a sexual commodity. The framework hurts everyone when women mistakenly believe it’s their job to run security on their vaginas where men will try to beg, plead and trick their way in. I had anxiety in my early teens about this responsibility, feeling like every guy who talked to me was just trying to find a way in — because it’s what I was taught.
On the other hand — This reinforces the trope because a dog would be all over that chicken if she (the women, the gatekeeper, the security) didn’t enforce some kind of discipline.
It swings toward the negative. Instead of saying “men are thinking, feeling beings who can control themselves,” it says “men are dogs who need a woman to train them.”
On the third hand — I’d like a dommy mommy to dispassionately withhold chicken from me.
I think it’s more like, the dog has more control over itself than men. But I think it’s kinda a good analogy. Most dogs have the discipline to not ravish that chicken. But some dogs absolutely would in a heart beat. Same that most men would never SA but some absolutely would.
I think the point still stands relatively well as a woman saying “no” in this instance is respected by the dog, so a woman saying “no” to a man’s sexual advances should result in basically the same behavior. It’s not a matter of women needing to train men, it’s a matter of men needing to understand the word “no” and actually respect it.
I disagree. The dog is a stand-in for men, and dogs would be all over that chicken if not trained. That dog would totally eat the chicken anyway if it was starving.
I prefer the consensual tea analogy more, because tea is something that can be shared between two people, no one needs tea to live, and forcing someone to drink tea is fucked up. Stealing a chicken is just nature’s way.
But what if we have it wrong and the chicken is keeping the dog away from the girl?
Yes. The “cup of tea” model of consent, despite some subtle flaws in the analogy, is so far the best way to illustrate these kinds of points.
Yes, there is something icky in the premise that I can’t quite put my finger on, but your “every guy who talked to me was just trying to find a way in” comes very, very close. It feels really … essentialist to frame things that way. (And it assumes a universal which, as I’ve ranted on in another thread, doesn’t exist for the most part: there are very few human universals.)
The whole “To every rule, there is an exception,” or, sometimes, “A lot of rules are made up and will hurt the people who believe them.”
I’m not into the d/s thing bit I promise to not give you chicken.
Its crazy to me the amount of people here who are misinterpreting the meme. Its not saying men are like animals who need to be trained. Misandrists are the ones who say that. They say things like “a scantily clad woman is like waving a steak in front of a dog, of course he’s going to molest you.” This meme is saying, to use the Christian parlance, “if a dog can learn to control itself, how much more so can a grown-ass man.”
Yep that’s my read as well.
I think it’s excellent! I’ve been saying for decades that men aren’t animals, the ones that are dangerous are usually choosing to be. If a dog can resist a cooked chicken a man can stop himself from hurting a woman
Except dogs don’t choose to want chicken.
Sorry, I know I’m not supposed to post here, but I don’t see how this isn’t super sexist. Which is fine, if that’s what you’re going for, but your comment implies otherwise. Eating meat is part of the dog’s basic natural instinct, so this meme presupposes that all men naturally want to hurt women, just “the good ones” have been trained to suppress those instincts. Again, if sexism is the goal, good job (and I totally get it, a lot of men suck really really hard and sex/gender inequality is still rampant in our society). If not, you might want to reassess your interpretation. Don’t worry, I’ll go now.
Thanks so much for sharing your opinion! Sadly you are right, you aren’t supposed to post you so you’ve been banned. Have a lovely Christmas ❤️
The people to block just love to self-ID, don’t they?
If a dog can resist a cooked chicken
I dunno if it’s because i’m overly cynical, or because I’ve only ever had cats, but I feel like that dog isn’t abstaining from chicken because of morals, but for fear of punished by the woman sitting next to it.
Exactly, and in comparison most men I’ve known don’t want to rape. If anything it seems some are trained to want to commit sexual violence rather than to be trained to resist an innate urge to do so.
You’re not supposed to punish dogs (or children for that matter), but reward them for good and wanted behavior. Positive reinforcement learning has a much bigger effect that negative reinforcement. I trained my dog to wait for a signal before eating without any punishments, just rewards when she does what I want. So the dog might not have any “morals” that are keeping it from eating that, but it’s not fear either.
Maybe I’m being thick as a whale sandwich here, but … can someone please explain what the message of this is supposed to be? I don’t get it. At all.
If you can train a dog not to voraciously devour a rotisserie chicken, a man should be able to train himself to not be a creep.
I’m not sure I agree with the parallel here. The dog didn’t train itself, it was trained from without. And I can almost guarantee you that the dog would eat that chicken if the trainer (or perceived trainer stand-in) wasn’t sitting there watching. I guess I kinda/sorta agree with the message, but find it really clumsily put.
The parallel comes from the argument from rape apologists that say stuff like “men can’t control themselves, it’s like putting a juicy stake in front of a dog”. It’s a disgusting argument shifting blame to the way women dress, saying they provoked them. The message here comes straight from that, debunking the whole “dogs can’t control themselves so men can’t either” argument.
As for whether the dog would eat that while the trainer isn’t there, I don’t know about that. I trained my dog not to eat without a signal, and I have been testing her to see how well she responds to that by literally leaving the room for a while and seeing what she does. I always come back to the untouched food and her lying patiently in front of it. And it’s not just me, there are a ton of videos of people doing the same and leaving their dogs alone with the food, some of these videos even part of an earlier iteration of this same trend.
Also, I don’t think it matters that the dog didn’t train itself. In fact, I think it says exactly what it should, that we should stop hiding behind the “boys will be boys” argument and teach our boys and men how to behave.
And parents train their children. And society does, too. Same as the dogs.
As a parent of two boys (probably for all kids, but I only have boys), the training part is real. We have all sorts of weird rules about asking permission and listening for no/stop. Like all things, it takes practice for it to become a habit.
I thought it was about cheating.
Cheating falls under the creep umbrella imo
That turkey looks nasty af
