I mean, I don’t even care if they do because the US is the king of messing with other countries politics, I was just wondering what peoples actual serious opinions here are on the whole Russiagate thing outside of (rightfully) mocking liberals obsession with it.
Its pretty well proven that they run bots on social media and fund really far right influencers. But the funding doesn’t seem to equal success unless the message already resonates with US conservatives. And there’s way more NATO bots, and even more IDF bots.
Russiagate is clearly bullshit. Failed attempt by liberals to make racism seem unamerican. But we’re preaching to the choir here.
Yeah they did fund Tim Pool and whoever else. So yeah, it is real, but not massive or anything compared with other countries/corporations/industries
Its pretty well proven that they run bots on social media
Who proved it? If there’s a smoking gun I missed I’m curious to read it and update my views.
Example of the stuff I have seen
Washington Post: Pro-Putin bots are dominating Russian political talk on Twitter
*Scrolls down*
The study does not provide direct evidence that the bots were created by the Russian government or how they were employed
First, your conflating the general bot paranoia with existing proofs. Just because libs are labeling anyone anti-nato as a bot doesn’t mean the bots don’t exist. They do, but their less common and pretty shitty when you do see them.
Second, your evidence shows that the pro-putin bots exist. Demanding a direct line of evidence that they originate from the Russian government itself is being willfully obtuse about how espionage generally works. Like I don’t have proof that all the NATO bots are directly contracted by NATO but they exist. Are you going to doubt that they come from NATO? (Pretty sure the IDF bots are actually well documented though).
I updated my comment just before you replied.
I believe some Russian bots must exist, but I’ve not seen proof. I also believe that NATO bots exist, but neither have I seen proof. If you had claimed that NATO bots were pretty well proven, I would instead be asking to see that proof; I’d be all over it!
Maybe I’m giving the research paper that WaPo is referencing too little credit, but I’d like to read it before I agree with their findings.[1] Even though that WaPo headline says “pro-Putin”, nothing in the article indicates that they selected only tweets that supported Putin. They did a broad sweep of any suspected bot behavior in the Russian language (without doing the same for other languages to act as a control). Some of them could be Russian corporate bots.
One of their criteria for identifying a bot was a lack of biographical data on their Twitter profiles… I don’t have any biographical data on my Twitter profile (though TBF I don’t meet their other criteria it seems).
I’ve read sloppy academic papers on related topics before. One of them (published in nature!) identified every reference to Oliver Stone’s Ukraine documentary on Twitter as an instance of Russian disinformation.
I fumbled around on their website for a few minutes before giving up for the day. I need to sleep. ↩︎
The more liberals scream about it, the less I believe it’s real. If it was real, liberals would not try to manifest it into existence this much.
Less than the US interferes with everyone else’s politics.
The plots that have surfaced have basically been funding weird basically irrelevant fractious groups of ‘leftwing’ cultists like Black Hammer, and random rw influencers.
I would assume that their media presence is much higher for countries that have Russian speakers.
Russia is interfering with US politics but I don’t think Russia is actually influencing US politics.
The material conditions of neoliberalism lead to the rise of reactionaries and fascism.
The US will create forces like Trump, the alt-right, Steven Miller, Fuentes, with or without Russian money. The seeds were already planted long before Russian involvement.
I’m preaching to the choir here but liberals find it much more comfortable to blame an external entity than reflect on what’s rotten on the inside.
Far, far less than the US interferes in Russian politics
Everything liberals have accused Russia of doing since like 2016, the Zionist Entity has been doing very openly for decades. Yeah Russia probably has intelligence divisions with spies in the US. There are probably propaganda streams that attempt to influence the American public. However every country on earth with the means does this. Everyone has spies in America.
But the Zionist Entity has AIPAC and every year politicians from both parties go on a stage and swear fealty to Zionism. It’s so open and brazen and no spycraft conspiracies are needed. Zionists do their dirty shit openly, and even when they try to do secret stuff like with Ben-Ami Kadish or Jonathan Pollard, it doesn’t matter. The American empire remains their steadfast ally despite it all.
Like there was an incident in 2019 where the FBI found a bunch of telecommunications interception devices (stingrays) scattered around Washington DC, then told the state department that from forensic analysis it was probably Israel that planted them. The Zionists then blatantly lied referencing some agreement in the 60s that America and Israel wouldn’t spy on one another. And then nothing happened and the most zionist president who ever lived got elected in 2020.
Lots of countries do influence campaigns and I’m pretty sure Russia does too, but I don’t think they’re anywhere near as aggressive as countries like the US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia.
They probably have similar schemes to the NED to pay influencers to spread pro Russian propaganda but it’s obviously not as big of an industry as US propaganda. Overall Russia seemingly has very little influence over US politics.
as a Russian agent in the U.S. I can tell you we lowkeyniunely just sit on our asses and get paid to do nothing, every once in a while they send us a congratulations on our last operation that we had no relations to and we wave and smile.
lowkeyniunely
Bombokhalas
Whatever Russia does can’t amount to even a fraction of a percent of the influence the general domestic and international bourgeoisie have over the electoral process to the point that the only reason to even think about it is honestly rooted in xenophobic fear
Probably the same amount as most large foreign nations but significantly less than large multinational corporations
Psyops leverage existing conflicts. Russia didn’t create our problems, and doesn’t have the resources to do half of what libs like to think they are responsible for. That said, of course they would exploit any advantage available. Still, it’s not hard to look back at US history and see how we ended up here.
They pay me like $3k a month and I’m a 1 in a million guy so I guess it’s something like $12M a year.
Are you kidding me? What the hell? They’re only paying me in mice. Fuck this shit. Чёрт возьми!
You guys get paid?
Get paid? I only get laid and no not in the way you’d think
You didn’t get your own country music star?
I was just doin it for fun
Duh, they’d be stupid not to?
I think the Trump = Russian agent stuff is BS tho,
It makes for a good distraction from colluding with Richard Steele on an election, and have House, Senate, White House, and FBI be owned by a separate country though.
