Dead Fish you’re probably not reading this but I just want to say that you can’t claim you believe Israel is a fascist genocidal state in one breath then also say you think Israel has a right to destroy the people resisting their genocide without everyone assuming you support that fascist genocidal state.

The two just don’t mix. Either you’re against fascist genociders, in which case you support whatever resistance exists against that, or if you oppose the resistance that exists to that then you are a supporter of the fascist genociders.

There is no nuanced middle ground to this. Attempting to create one is just siding with fascist genociders and muddying the waters surrounding the people resisting genocide, the overall outcome of which is to weaken support for the resistance.

This leaves two possibilities: You are either a credulous liberal idiot that does not actually think about your own positions much or you are a genocidal fascist. Either way, in both cases you are harming Palestinians and strengthening fascists. If you’re not the latter, I urge you to take some time to really think through the contradiction. If you are the latter I wish upon you very bad things.

it was a peace festival

yeah, just outside the concentration camp, thats where I imagine myself getting high off my face and listening to transe music (lol not even once)

They are evil fascists, but that doesn’t make them combatants.

I have finally concluded, upon reading this yet another time, that this is the key statement. It’s just a case of terminal liberal rule-following brain. Right and wrong don’t exist, only lawful and unlawful. Some militants who grew up in a concentration camp killed some settlers having a party next to it who they didn’t expect to encounter, likely in a moment of rage or some other unknowable circumstance, but it was against the rules so Hamas as a whole is CANCELLED. Nuance is only afforded to the fascist occupying army committing genocide, because they’re the ones with a UN seat, I guess.

Maybe anyone who has ever worn a lanyard unironically should permanently be stripped of the right to political participation, for the protection of the rest of society.

It’s amazing, this comment is aging like fine /c/Slop wine as I come back to it. It has so many unexamined biases and internal contradictions.

This guy isn’t intentionally justifying genocide, he just has no idea what he’s talking about. It’s a sort of subcontracted genocide support often done inadvertently by people who think they’re opposing the genocide, which this guy even says he is.

He thinks he’s being helpful by separating Palestinians from Hamas, but all he’s doing is de-legitimizing the resistance of Palestinians. He then says that attacking Hamas is OK but not other Palestinians. This is the basic justification of Israel’s genocide, because targeting resistance can be used to target anyone while denying that you are committing genocide (this is Hamas, that is Hamas, unfortunate collateral damage). The resistance is both a natural consequence of the situation, and a correct thing that should be supported.

If you’re reading this, the user in question, try “slavery is wrong and lynchings are bad, but I think the slavers had the right to try and execute Nat Turner.” Do you see why this is an absolutely ridiculous thing to say? That when an oppressor gives the oppressed absolutely no non-violent options for resistance, all violence that results can and should be blamed on the oppressor? That some things are wrong, and uprisings against them are inevitable, necessary, and do not give the oppressor an ethical justification for reprisal?

If you don’t see how that applies here, you don’t know anything about Palestinian history. And Nat Turner, unlike Hamas/PIJ/PFLP, ordered that every single white person should be killed, and that order was carried out. People do not (and should not) condemn Nat Turner, because they understand the intolerability of his situation.

I honestly just wish people who know as little as this person seems to about the history and situation of Palestine would just learn to be quiet. People are not embarrassed enough anymore, anyone can just say shit. Everyone acts like they’re Destiny “debating” Finkelstein and completely expects to be taken seriously. Embarrassing.

@deaf_fish@midwest.social Answer for yourself you Nazi piece of shit.

@seahorse@midwest.social @JackFromWisconsin@midwest.social @wicked82@midwest.social @InevitableWaffles@midwest.social @exposingfash@midwest.social

If you do not ban people like this I will advocate defederating based on the Nazi bar principle.

As of the time I am posting this, you have still yet to ban this openly fascist user justifying genocide.

I am specifically referring to this part of their comment:

I am legitimizing specific violence of a settler colonial ethnostate as “self defense”. I think they are in their right to dismantle Hamas using violence. But what they have done has far surpassed that. I think Israel has the ability to arrest/kidnap and try high ranking members of Hamas. I think that would be a reasonable response to October 7th. But they did the worst possible thing and I don’t condone that.

Quite literally and openly declaring their genocide as legitimate. This should be a very fucking easy case for banning someone. They acknowledged that Israel is a “genocidal ethnostate” and then in the next fucking sentence say THIS SHIT.

Why does this matter. Would Israels reaction be different? They wanted to genocide from the beginning.

Upon reading this again, this is the most ridiculous part. Undiluted liberalism is the only ideology that could lead someone to say this and apparently not consider whether they might be wrong about the groups opposing this genocidal state.

Oh yeah, my belief that Israel is a fascist genocidal state surely makes me morally equivalent to IDF. These nuanced replies I am making is like I am out there killing Palestinian babies my self. Sure!

Glad you were able to be NuAnCeD and condemn the fascist state with overwhelming firepower as well as the barely-adult lifelong prisoners desperately fighting against it. That’s very brave and clever of you.

Edit: Actually, I’m not even sure this user’s point is that Hamas is “bad” so much as “Israel” had the so-called right to punish them for “October 7th” which is an even more deranged thing to think if you claim to believe that Israel is a fascist genocidal state. Why would that state have any “rights” at all, especially to punish those rising up against it?

The only belief that makes this make sense would be that “Israel” never would have been a fascist genocidal state without “October 7th”, which is obviously contradicted by the description of it as a “settler colonial ethnostate”. Totally incoherent, and gets worse the more you scrutinize it. It’s almost a work of art.

They’ve also been banned on midwest.

Still continuing to believe any narrative uncritically about Oct 7 is, absolute insanity, considering what has been going on for six decades, how can you come to the conclusion that Hamas is as evil as Israel attempts to depict them as?