• Glytch@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    It’s worth pointing out that the reasons they support Israel as an ethnostate are largely two-fold

    1. They believe that a restored Jewish state in Palestine is a sign of Jesus’s return, meaning they’ll get raptured soon.

    2. They want Jewish people out of “their” country.

    Zionism has a long history of antisemitism despite the apparent contradiction.

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      14 hours ago

      I think zionists overestimate the degree to which people care about them at all. As long as you dont cause trouble in western society (and you have white skin), no one gives a crap about you unless you are a visible underclass. Why should they?

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      4 days ago

      Exactly, many Nazis also find the idea of sending jews to the desert to be a preferable way of “dealing” with them. Fascists supporting fascists I suppose.

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        14 hours ago

        Come on, lets be historically factual here-- No one “sent the jews to the desert”. After WW2 many areas were floated for a potential jewish state. Look at the map here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/a67uop/countries_where_jewish_homeland_was_proposed_in/

        with the obvious concern that putting a state in a territory thats already inhabitted would be a problem to say the least. But no, the zionists insisted it be created in the already inhabited ancient judean lands (from a country that disappeared more than 2500 years ago), and didnt care that itd mean ethnic cleansing of the owners of the land at the time-- and the idiot british backed their play. Hence the nakba, which never ended, and here we are today, still trying to settle that question that was so ridiculously poorly administrated 80 years ago. The world would be a better place now if that choice had been better handled. This started because of an epic political failure, informed by a recent genocide of the time and the victors of WW2 feeling like they could dictate whatever they wanted to the “vanquished”. This is not just a failure of zionism, it was an epic failure of the allies after WW2 to have any standards or forward looking thinking at all. People dont say this often, but some of that generation were just as much short sighted c*nts as we are today, and not “the greatest generation” …at all. We are still cleaning up that effing mess today with no end in sight.

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      4 days ago

      I dont give two shites about “antisemitism”. The word has become meaningless. It just means “whatever the zionists want”.

      • Mystic Mushroom [Ze/Zir]@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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        Zionists really don’t like this but it is true. By calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you an “antisemite” to strike fear and/or silence them, it is bleaching the word and taking away its meaning and less people will recognize or respect the word for its real meaning. It’s not good.