The best outcome of this situation is jury nullification. If the jury nullifies, we’ll have proven the law does not prosecute heroic deeds of this caliber. It would be the biggest blow to capitalism in generations.
The guy who tried to take over Europe was arrested and banished (to run a tropical island, so like most rich and powerful was given a super kushy “punishment” that’s more like a forced retirement), returned and tried to take over Europe a second time and was banished again (this time to an actually unpleasant island off the coast of Africa under active guard) might not be the best person for trump to be quoting in this context…
Once the jurors are selected, we need to start a social media blitz in New York around jury nullification. Signs on street corners. Murals. Chanting crowds outside the courthouse on the court dates.
i agree, but keep in mind that if the DOJ knows what they’re up against, they will pull some underhanded shit to make a conviction unavoidable. don’t doubt them for a second.
i honestly have no faith and would rather see us organizing the things that don’t interact with the gears of government at all.
Aren’t jurors for high profile cases typically secluded during the trial? Would they even be on social media or in a position to be out in public much?
They still have to enter the building, and the courts have specifically found that holding signs signs and handing out pamphlets about jury nullification in public space outside of courthouse are 100% protected speech.
You’re right there’s no chance they won’t be secluded on a case like this.
I don’t know the extent of that though. They probably don’t sleep in the same building so they need to transit between places. Do they use no windows so they can’t see signs? What about hoods, just as effective as no glass!
I am in Canada. I would go, but I don’t want CBP to be asking me any questions. Last time I visited the US they searched my car for no reason. I have been interrogated by them before (you can probably tell by my username I am of Lebanese descent), but I have a feeling that the Trumpian bullshit might empower them to detain me for no fucking reason.
The have been arrested white Canadians for improper documentation and holding them for months with no charge or even telling them why they have been arrested and detained.
I have been shouting this from the rooftops since I heard what happened. So many people think you have to punish someone if they are proven guilty… not true in the USA. The jury can decide he is not guilty for whatever reason they want. They can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did it and the jury can still let him go. So many people don’t know this.
Also a great way to get out of jury duty is to mention this during the selection process, they will boot you 100% of the time if you know this.
The problem is that if you try to get on a jury to do this then you’re usually probably committing perjury. They typically ask questions somewhat related to it without outright using the phrase.
Definitely true. I would perjure myself to get Luigi off the hook though. He is a hero not a criminal. He had the balls to kill that piece of shit, I can have the balls to tell a white lie to get him out.
thats why MSMs are so tight lipped about the case, even if nothings going on right now, they arnt say sht in order to “bias” people into believing otherwise.
There is no such thing as jury nullification as a court decision though. Jury nullification is the Jury agreeing that they didn’t see nothing. If they say he did it but they aren’t convicting that may very well be grounds for a mistrial. I suspect that the prosecution will argue that it was a mistrial regardless of whether the Jury nullifies or genuinely is unconvinced beyond a reasonable doubt.
a true patriot would organize a team to break this guy out of jail.
The best outcome of this situation is jury nullification. If the jury nullifies, we’ll have proven the law does not prosecute heroic deeds of this caliber. It would be the biggest blow to capitalism in generations.
“he who saves his country has committed no crimes”
i threw up in my mouth a bit quoting trump, but throwing their words back at them is always satisfying.
If it makes you feel any better, Trump was quoting Napoleon.
You can tell he was quoting someone else because the sentence makes grammatical sense
Everyone who fights the British is redeemable in some way, but no, that’s not a whole lot better.
The guy who tried to take over Europe was arrested and banished (to run a tropical island, so like most rich and powerful was given a super kushy “punishment” that’s more like a forced retirement), returned and tried to take over Europe a second time and was banished again (this time to an actually unpleasant island off the coast of Africa under active guard) might not be the best person for trump to be quoting in this context…
Trump stole it from a quote by Napoleon, allegedly, so… Not sure if that’s better or worse, but at least it’s not a Trump original.
of course he’s not smart enough to come up with a good quote himself, i should have known better
i love that too, but they will be anticipating jury nullification, and they have stopped people from doing it before.
i just don’t trust anything abut the american justice system any more.
Once the jurors are selected, we need to start a social media blitz in New York around jury nullification. Signs on street corners. Murals. Chanting crowds outside the courthouse on the court dates.
We can do this 💪
i agree, but keep in mind that if the DOJ knows what they’re up against, they will pull some underhanded shit to make a conviction unavoidable. don’t doubt them for a second.
i honestly have no faith and would rather see us organizing the things that don’t interact with the gears of government at all.
Aren’t jurors for high profile cases typically secluded during the trial? Would they even be on social media or in a position to be out in public much?
your probably thinking grand juries.
Nah, it happens for regular trials. For example, Trump’s felony trial in New York last year. The jurors were all sequestered for that.
They still have to enter the building, and the courts have specifically found that holding signs signs and handing out pamphlets about jury nullification in public space outside of courthouse are 100% protected speech.
You’re right there’s no chance they won’t be secluded on a case like this.
I don’t know the extent of that though. They probably don’t sleep in the same building so they need to transit between places. Do they use no windows so they can’t see signs? What about hoods, just as effective as no glass!
Sequestered
Thanks. I was struggling to come up with the right word.
I am in Canada. I would go, but I don’t want CBP to be asking me any questions. Last time I visited the US they searched my car for no reason. I have been interrogated by them before (you can probably tell by my username I am of Lebanese descent), but I have a feeling that the Trumpian bullshit might empower them to detain me for no fucking reason.
The have been arrested white Canadians for improper documentation and holding them for months with no charge or even telling them why they have been arrested and detained.
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I have been shouting this from the rooftops since I heard what happened. So many people think you have to punish someone if they are proven guilty… not true in the USA. The jury can decide he is not guilty for whatever reason they want. They can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did it and the jury can still let him go. So many people don’t know this.
Also a great way to get out of jury duty is to mention this during the selection process, they will boot you 100% of the time if you know this.
The problem is that if you try to get on a jury to do this then you’re usually probably committing perjury. They typically ask questions somewhat related to it without outright using the phrase.
Definitely true. I would perjure myself to get Luigi off the hook though. He is a hero not a criminal. He had the balls to kill that piece of shit, I can have the balls to tell a white lie to get him out.
Can we please stop assuming he did it?
He could get acquitted due to the nature of his arrest
thats why MSMs are so tight lipped about the case, even if nothings going on right now, they arnt say sht in order to “bias” people into believing otherwise.
There is no such thing as jury nullification as a court decision though. Jury nullification is the Jury agreeing that they didn’t see nothing. If they say he did it but they aren’t convicting that may very well be grounds for a mistrial. I suspect that the prosecution will argue that it was a mistrial regardless of whether the Jury nullifies or genuinely is unconvinced beyond a reasonable doubt.
If WHO says he did it? The jury? They wouldn’t say he did it, they would find him not guilty.