I want people to understand that everybody’s needs aren’t the same as their own (and not just say they do before screaming something that proves they don’t).
I liked the metro rail until recently, when I caught the flu 3 consecutive times when using it.
If not wanting to be in a crowded space where - 30% of people are coughing around, not even caring to use a hanky to cover, while people having smoked so much, before entering, that even the cabin ventilators being at full blast, are not able to mitigate the stink - is considered anti-social, then yes, I am anti-social.
Face masks costing $2+ are wasted in a matter of 30 minutes, being filled with stink from cigarettes, if you are unlucky enough to get in the wrong cabin at the wrong time.
I’m still pro public transit though.
On the road, you will find smokers on the roadside, smokers in cars, smokers on bikes and cycles, all making it harder for one to get to work on their bicycle, without having to breathe that stuff.
It is to the point that I cannot consider going out cycling for leisure, because any fun I might get from an hour of cycling can be destroyed by a few seconds of choosing the wrong route.
Where do you live that it’s full of smokers? Smoking hasn’t been allowed indoors in NYC for years. I guess other places haven’t caught up.
I think the people smoking and coughing in public are more anti-social. It kind of bothers me that we’re generally too polite to do anything about people being a nuisance in public. I don’t want, like, vigilante murder of smokers, but if something happened to remind the guy smoking in the subway station that rules are agreements, and if they’re going to break the rules maybe someone’s going to break their face, I wouldn’t be that upset.
Maybe I was too unclear. Smoking indoors in public areas has long been prohibited.
Problem is, just because someone stopped smoking a minute ago, doesn’t mean the stuff in their lungs and clothes will not dissipate. This is easily noticeable when:
The room is closed, with closed loop ACs instead of HVACs in the name of ventilation. Over time, even the insides of the AC adsorb the vapours, making it stay.
When there is enough of people full of the stuff from cigarettes in close quarters, it becomes the same as secondary smoking even if there is good ventilation.
If they get to smoke on the staircase(which is also a closed area), right next to the door of the closed area, the poison gas is not going to follow laws of humans and stay away from the room.
ah, I see. NYC has some laws about how close you can be to the entrance while smoking, but as you say the lingering effects can still be a problem.
I don’t really have a lot of sympathy for smokers. It’s a known bad habit. Quitting sucks but that’s the debt the smoker took on. Don’t want everyone else to pay that. (Though I would support public programs to help people quit)
To me it’s weird that you don’t know how to feel about an idea until you figure out which side of some issue it implies. Seems like rational thought should work the other way around. Maybe that’s just me.
Your original post was vague and could be read as pro-public transit (some can’t drive and need it ) or anti public transit (some people need private transit because they can’t get on a bus or whatever). Or maybe uselessly neither? I really don’t know what you were trying to contribute.
I was trying to contribute that it’s okay if one size doesn’t fit all. Different people have different needs. Being pro something doesn’t necessarily mean you’re anti some other thing. It’s not a binary world, in case you haven’t noticed. The compulsion to think that way hurts discourse. I’m pro public transit and also pro private transit, because they’re both useful in different ways.
Also I don’t know what “pro private transit” means to you. Do you mean more space dedicated to cars over people? Often people want “more parking” and “more lanes”, and those things don’t solve the problems they’re facing, and are bad ideas.
You have to take more of the ideas out of your head and put them into the words you write if you want other people to follow you.
I want people to understand that everybody’s needs aren’t the same as their own (and not just say they do before screaming something that proves they don’t).
I don’t know if that means you’re pro or anti public transit.
Some people act like “I don’t want to be around other people” is a “need”.
I don’t think a society should especially cater to the most anti social members, especially if that hurts most people.
I liked the metro rail until recently, when I caught the flu 3 consecutive times when using it.
If not wanting to be in a crowded space where - 30% of people are coughing around, not even caring to use a hanky to cover, while people having smoked so much, before entering, that even the cabin ventilators being at full blast, are not able to mitigate the stink - is considered anti-social, then yes, I am anti-social.
Face masks costing $2+ are wasted in a matter of 30 minutes, being filled with stink from cigarettes, if you are unlucky enough to get in the wrong cabin at the wrong time.
I’m still pro public transit though.
On the road, you will find smokers on the roadside, smokers in cars, smokers on bikes and cycles, all making it harder for one to get to work on their bicycle, without having to breathe that stuff.
It is to the point that I cannot consider going out cycling for leisure, because any fun I might get from an hour of cycling can be destroyed by a few seconds of choosing the wrong route.
Where do you live that it’s full of smokers? Smoking hasn’t been allowed indoors in NYC for years. I guess other places haven’t caught up.
I think the people smoking and coughing in public are more anti-social. It kind of bothers me that we’re generally too polite to do anything about people being a nuisance in public. I don’t want, like, vigilante murder of smokers, but if something happened to remind the guy smoking in the subway station that rules are agreements, and if they’re going to break the rules maybe someone’s going to break their face, I wouldn’t be that upset.
Maybe I was too unclear. Smoking indoors in public areas has long been prohibited.
Problem is, just because someone stopped smoking a minute ago, doesn’t mean the stuff in their lungs and clothes will not dissipate. This is easily noticeable when:
If they get to smoke on the staircase(which is also a closed area), right next to the door of the closed area, the poison gas is not going to follow laws of humans and stay away from the room.
ah, I see. NYC has some laws about how close you can be to the entrance while smoking, but as you say the lingering effects can still be a problem.
I don’t really have a lot of sympathy for smokers. It’s a known bad habit. Quitting sucks but that’s the debt the smoker took on. Don’t want everyone else to pay that. (Though I would support public programs to help people quit)
I think one important part is to make it socially unacceptable.
But that’s hard to do in a place where the majority of people are happy/fine with it.
To me it’s weird that you don’t know how to feel about an idea until you figure out which side of some issue it implies. Seems like rational thought should work the other way around. Maybe that’s just me.
Your original post was vague and could be read as pro-public transit (some can’t drive and need it ) or anti public transit (some people need private transit because they can’t get on a bus or whatever). Or maybe uselessly neither? I really don’t know what you were trying to contribute.
“Rational thought” doesn’t really enter into it.
I was trying to contribute that it’s okay if one size doesn’t fit all. Different people have different needs. Being pro something doesn’t necessarily mean you’re anti some other thing. It’s not a binary world, in case you haven’t noticed. The compulsion to think that way hurts discourse. I’m pro public transit and also pro private transit, because they’re both useful in different ways.
Sometimes things are mutually exclusive.
Also I don’t know what “pro private transit” means to you. Do you mean more space dedicated to cars over people? Often people want “more parking” and “more lanes”, and those things don’t solve the problems they’re facing, and are bad ideas.
You have to take more of the ideas out of your head and put them into the words you write if you want other people to follow you.
You’ve excelled in your efforts at not making a point.
Their point is clear and I can repeat it. Try disagreeing without being rude, please.
E: Also, happy cake day!
I can’t disagree or agree with vague aspirations against another posters weirdness and rationality, though the smugness is certainly disagreeable.