I don’t troll. At all. What I do is post various comments encouraging a community to not get angry as hell about a change but to make the best out of it. That’s what happened when 196 decided to port over from blahaj.zone to lemmy.world. I made a bunch of fairly long comments that were talking about how people shouldn’t be angry and just leaving toxic comments but fueling a better community, whether that be here or elsewhere. Comments went fairly well and all was fine and left up for a while but a couple of days after being posted they were removed along with everything else that I had posted to that community. The mods list the reason in the modlog for my permanent ban as “trolling”. There are many things I do, but trolling isn’t one of them. Especially when the comment sections are left in a state here showing that I wasn’t trolling.

I went through everything that I did with that community and cannot find a singular thing with the exception of a memory.

I had posted a meme a couple of weeks ago. I don’t remember exactly what it was but I remember a moderator saying on it an hour or two after posting that it should be marked as NSFW. I disagreed with this assessment. I left a comment in response saying that I disagreed that it should be marked and that I would refuse to mark it as NSFW. However, I also respect that it is their community and their rules so I settled for something different. I didn’t add an NSFW tag, I just deleted it wholesale. I didn’t want to add a tag to something that I didn’t feel was applicable and instead of having to sit with that tag on the post, I just deleted the post entirely.

So this only leaves two options from the mods of 196.

Either they banned me for posting comments that were supportive of the community itself and not directly supportive of them or they banned me for deleting a post.

In either case? The moderators of !196@lemmy.world are no better than reddit moderators who just lash out for their own ego. Blanket bans for disagreements.

And perhaps unsurprisingly and perfectly fitting of every single accusation that has been levied so far against them and their abusive practices, the last moderator to interact with me was @moss@lemmy.world.

I find it fucking hysterical how the mods over there are so vehemently Anti-Trump (and should be given the userbase and content) but act no better than someone in his administration.

Edit: I found the post about it being NSFW after going through Moss’ profile but unsurprisingly Moss had to go ahead and suppress my comment there as well. It’s remarkable how much of their profile is just whining about being treated unfairly while they’re going ahead and treating people unfairly. But of course, Moss (being a redditor) had to go ahead and downvote before the removal of the post. Fragile… jesus.

As for how I feel it should be remedied, Moss should step down or at least be removed as a mod on Lemmy.world. They’ve done nothing for the community that hasn’t been insanely divisive as of late. They seem to be remarkably tonedeaf and just openly abusing their position.

Update

@Kolanaki@pawb.social went to the community and straight up asked why I was banned. For the record I didn’t ask for this or anything and was completely blindsided when I got a notification in my inbox. But a mod over there did respond with this:

So I’m unbanned from the community because a mod could find no reason that made sense why I was banned.

Tell me how that doesn’t unilaterally prove that Moss was indeed just banning people over petty ass reasons?

Update 2: Ages later I get pinged about a comment. @PeachyMcPeachface@lemmy.blahaj.zone is outright lying about me and claiming that they have banned me for being transphobic in the past. My modlog is completely clear and free of ANY such removals or bans. This has literally never happened and they’re just making shit up about me now to try and justify a ban after the fact.

      • Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.com
        191·
        1 year ago

        But would you have constituted that conversation we had about the community as trolling?

        Definitely not. IIRC we disagreed on a few things, agreed on others, it was respectful.

        Moss is a pureblood redditor. They came to Lemmy hoping they could continue the same nonsense over from reddit. I dunno if they had power there originally or if they just saw it and wanted it here, but they’re fucking insane. A power-hungry little redditor.

        If that’s the case, good to see how well the community managed to move.

          • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
            19·
            1 year ago

            Definitely not. IIRC we disagreed on a few things, agreed on others, it was respectful.

            That is how I took it as well. I disagreed on a couple of points, felt marred by one and we both addressed that and moved on like adults.

            In my experience, almost everyone on the internet behaves this way. There’s a reputation that internet people are toxic, angry, unreasonable, and insulting, and there need to be strict controls or the whole thing will turn into a shit show. But my observation is that even if you look at one of those big shit-show threads, it will be a tiny minority of the people that are creating all the personal insults and drama. I think the key factor is that one unhinged person can amp a bunch of other people up, and the unhinged people also tend to be very persistent in starting drama with anyone who will interact with them, and so their influence is outsized.

            But check it out sometime: Look at one of those angerfest threads, and I bet it will be less than 3 people who are instigating all of the anger. Of course, there will be other people who get roped into it, but it’s usually pretty easy to identify the source, and once you see that, it’ll become clear that almost everyone when they’re talking amongst each other is perfectly reasonable, whether or not they agree about the stuff they’re talking about.

  • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
    382·
    1 year ago

    i am positively tickled at the shining example of all the users to just pick up and move due to shitty moderation, proving the process and idealism behind the fediverse. mods only have the power users as a community allow them to.

      • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
        361·
        1 year ago

        So long as fediverse regulars get used to abandoning toxic comms and restarting them in other instances, we’ll have a very good mentality

          • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
            161·
            1 year ago

            Honestly, if we can get the UIs to handle multi-comms, or at least merged comments, then being dispersed to multiple comms wouldn’t be a big issue

              • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
                121·
                1 year ago

                Indeed. I have so many ideas but I’m limited by the software. Even created threativore to handle things like custom flairs etc, but I’m struggling to find someone to onboard it onto a UI

          • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
            19·
            1 year ago

            Fwiw, choosing LW a year ago was quite a different choice than today - and not merely bc of hindsight I mean.

            I would say it was a right call for back then, with everything moving towards centralization to help with the Rexodus as people got used to the idea of federation in general and the apps and such. People went to LW, then from that base, branched out and discovered more of the wider world beyond it.

            Now, if such a migration had to be done TODAY, I would absolutely recommend against it. Yet !tenforward@lemmy.world literally helped the entire Threadiverse grow! 🪴 And now it’s grandfathered in, so it should be new communities not established ones to find new homes, e.g. !lotrmemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com rather than !lotr@lemmy.world, and we put new communities elsewhere e.g. !AskUSA@discuss.online and !fedimemes@feddit.uk, etc. to help spread the load.

            It’s all good.:-) So long as LW admins don’t start requiring you to allow flat earth comments - which they came super close to doing but at the last moment rescinded. I guess we’ll see what the future holds.:-)

              • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
                41·
                1 year ago

                To be honest I stood with them on that one, at least as best I understood the facts though I preemptively should state that I may have been wildly off:-). A moratorium on such content for a handful of days while they research the legalities - that like CP could legit land someone in actual jail - seemed appropriate to me.

                The details matter there - and again I am not fully aware of them - like what country the instance itself is located in (I don’t even recall?), and what the ramifications are of allowing such discussions, both there and in their target nations. I guess the majority part of what I’m saying is that having such discussions are one thing, if decided upon in advance, but if the admins were surprised and nervous and worried about whether the entire instance could be taken down, due to EU rules or whatever, then that panic on their part made sense to me? And sure enough, they relented and now I think discussions on exactly and precisely that topic are allowed, iirc?

                Overall though, the continuation of the Threadiverse is too important to allow one single discussion here or there to threaten the entire thing. Bc if instances running Lemmy end up getting banned in the USA, for example, that only leaves the likes of corporatified Reddit, X, Facebook, and I guess Bluesky now. And those are horrible options (even as Lemmy is not ideal itself, yet it does expand upon someone’s choices and that is fucking superb:-). So anyway, I am sympathetic to their panic response in that particular situation (far less so to the subsequent whole deal with the flat earth points, and at least the jury nullification issue in isolation I felt like I understood that). Modding is a hard job (as I know that you know!:-) and I can only imagine how the responsibilities differ for an admin, with their irl actual name exposed to the legal authorities and vulnerable in ways that none of us here are, as mere users or even mods, unless we choose it - but for them, it’s not a choice, they must expose that in order to comply with the legalities.

  • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
    311·
    1 year ago

    i straight up blocked moss. they need someone to sit down and talk to them IRL about how to be a human before i’m willing to interact with them online

      • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
        9·
        1 year ago

        exactly. i don’t think they’re a bad person to the core, i think they just lack perspective and connection. they won’t find that on an internet forum, only the illusion of it. if i try to explain it here i’m only really contributing to their continued entrenchment in this position.

        also. my favorite version of the golden rule is that you should conduct yourself like someone you’d want to be friends with.

        my second favorite is immanual kant’s “I ought never to act except in such a way that I could also will that my maxim should become a universal law.”

          • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
            9·
            1 year ago

            it’s like. the core of ethical philosophy is figuring out the best phrasing for it. it’s an incredibly valuable life lesson, hence it being spoken in different framings from different philosophers throughout history. i think our society’s great failing is that we stop putting it everywhere when children leave elementary school. it should be all over middle schools, high schools, places of work, religious centers, community centers, sports stadiums, you name it. we build society. us. we decide what it should be. so why do the propaganda machines of the wealthy allow ourselves in highschool to shift our view of what it means to be human from kind philosopher to camo clad warrior?

            my view is it’s because we’re all so entrenched in this hegemony that it doesn’t even occur to us that the lessons of kindergarten are the most important lessons of all, and we should be expanding on those lessons rather than telling kids once they turn 7 that they’ve mastered that and it’s time to spend the rest of their lives thinking only of STEM without any regard to the arts

            • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
              7·
              1 year ago

              We could also start by paying elementary school teachers an actual living wage (in the Western world). Except, you know, we won’t do that in the USA, and ironically most teachers in that position that I’ve ever met have been right-wing conservatives that are actively cheering for Trump to shut down all the federal funding. I think they seem to believe (at least this is what they say) that the fuding will somehow magically spring up from the ground in the form of the local areas stepping forward to now “properly” fund education. They sadly are about to undergo a very rude awakening process when they find out that failing to plan ahead is the same as planning to fail:-(.

              • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
                6·
                1 year ago

                oof. my elementary school teachers were who taught me the things that created the anarchist i am today. i guess i was lucky

                • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
                  5·
                  1 year ago

                  I wish we could all be thus:-). But maybe some lessons it’s better to learn the hard way, in any case.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.socialEnglish
    253·
    1 year ago

    Ironic, considering 196 moving to LW was because Ada is a power tripping admin. I was interacting with Moss after getting banned on Blahaj, and they just… Went silent. Then about a week later, they moved the community. I honestly don’t think they’re an asshole, but I get the feeling the dude doesn’t know how to effectively moderate or talk to community members.

  • dditty@lemm.eeEnglish
    181·
    1 year ago

    Just found out I was still subbed to the previous 196 community and unsubbed. I thought I had unsubbed back when the move happened but must’ve missed unsubbing at that time.

  • peregrin5@lemm.eeEnglish
    141·
    1 year ago

    People who have the amount of free time and level of terminal online-ness to feel the desire to mod for free are generally going to have a common personality type that makes them go on power-trips. It doesn’t matter if they are on Reddit or Lemmy. Terminally online is terminally online and mods are always going to suck.

    That said, they’re not paid so you get what you pay for.

    • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
      81·
      1 year ago

      Unfortunately, there’s a lot of mods with much thinner skin. But that doesn’t make all people that want to help a community by moderating subhumans. So you might want to rethink that attitude, it’s not fair to what I think is the vast majority of moderators out there in their communities, notwithstanding the community we’re posting in right now.

      I took a lot of abuse over the years modding niche subreddits in order to prevent them being shutdown by Reddit for lack of moderation. I don’t regret it (except for aiding the Reddit shitbirds themselves) but man, people can be fucking twats and you need a thick skin to do that for long.

  • madcaesar@lemmy.world
    11·
    1 year ago

    I was banned from 196, I don’t know why or when, and can’t be bothered to find out. My guess was always some nutjob mod, but life is too short and I simply don’t interact with the community any more.

    Crazy mods in the end hurt the community more than they could ever hurt others by banning them.

  • TheObviousSolution@kbin.melroy.org
    111·
    1 year ago

    Wait, you expected the modlog to show actual reasons? As it is it’s basically a joke now that you can’t even contest. It is a literal power trip, but at least does tell you when and where you have been banned from, so at least it has that compromise.

  • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    9·
    1 year ago

    This is unfortunate, I always liked 196, I was never the most active there but I have posted my fair share of memes there, mostly cross-posts from other communities. It’s really too bad that they’ve gone to shit and are abusing their mod permissions.

  • First Majestic Comet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    6·
    1 year ago

    She did this to me too because I was questioning their motives for moving and avoiding lemmy.blahaj.zone “censorship”, though she only did a temp ban. I guess I got lucky, but good to know that the others there are more level headed. So I would definitely say this seems like power-tripping, PTB? That’s how you say it right (I’m new to this community).