Hi! Intersex person and site admin here to correct you from both the perspectives of lived experience and relevant post-graduate education.
You are wrong. Entirely wrong. You have not said a single correct thing in this entire thread. I will give a single final warning: stop pathologizing. As leftists, we should all know that it’s not acceptable to reduce people to traits like “defective.” It’s even less acceptable to do so when it’s patently untrue.
While there are a few very flashy intersex conditions that can be associated with significant, visible effects like the two trisomy conditions you mentioned, but these are far from the only intersex conditions that exist and the overwhelming majority of intersex people do not experience severe, debilitating conditions like the ones you describe. Limb deformity or pulmonary hypoplasia are far from common amongst people with intersex conditions. In fact, a large percentage of intersex people live entirely normal lives without any unusual medical experiences. They might be born with ambiguous genitalia corrected during infancy and not even find out they’re intersex til adulthood. They might live their entire life and never be aware that they have an intersex condition because there are no visible effects. They have happy, healthy children and live out their normal lives without ever realizing they had an intersex disorder.
Reconsider your viewpoint on this from the ground up immediately.
Seems like respondents actually preferred “development differences” rather than “disorders”
Also, that paper doesn’t ask about how people with developmental differences view themselves as either healthy or unhealthy; you’re making that leap on your own.
Not the same thing. “Disorder” (as the above poster said) suggests a deviation from “normal” that is somehow wrong. Intersex conditions aren’t inherently “wrong”, they are just statistically uncommon.
Disability status is another thing entirely, and is largely a reflection of the society in which the person lives.
A. That’s nice, you’re not a member of the community you’re referring to while the poll respondents in the study were and there’s a clear difference in preferences.
B. There’s actually a big issue with the Deaf community not wanting to be viewed as disabled and strongly preferring the use of the term Deaf over “hearing disability.”
“They don’t mind” = 65% rated the term as neutral to good when discussing the issue with their clinicians. The authors weren’t asking about how the terms were used by Joe Schmo, they were asking about it in the context of talking to their doctor, where I would presume standards are probably a little different.
This is reading like you didn’t make it past the first two sentences in the abstract when you were grabbing the first result off Google Scholar that looked like it supported your argument.
Jesus Christ, are you dense? We are talking about something that doctors call a disorder.
What else am I supposed to call it?
Also I don’t use Google, fuck that company
The fact is its not controversial to call it a disorder and … Just because some people prefer something else doesn’t make what they prefer to be a medical fact or the other option to be offensive.
“In healthy embryos” sounds kinda like erasure of intersex people. You should probably do some self crit on that front.
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Hi! Intersex person and site admin here to correct you from both the perspectives of lived experience and relevant post-graduate education.
You are wrong. Entirely wrong. You have not said a single correct thing in this entire thread. I will give a single final warning: stop pathologizing. As leftists, we should all know that it’s not acceptable to reduce people to traits like “defective.” It’s even less acceptable to do so when it’s patently untrue.
While there are a few very flashy intersex conditions that can be associated with significant, visible effects like the two trisomy conditions you mentioned, but these are far from the only intersex conditions that exist and the overwhelming majority of intersex people do not experience severe, debilitating conditions like the ones you describe. Limb deformity or pulmonary hypoplasia are far from common amongst people with intersex conditions. In fact, a large percentage of intersex people live entirely normal lives without any unusual medical experiences. They might be born with ambiguous genitalia corrected during infancy and not even find out they’re intersex til adulthood. They might live their entire life and never be aware that they have an intersex condition because there are no visible effects. They have happy, healthy children and live out their normal lives without ever realizing they had an intersex disorder.
Reconsider your viewpoint on this from the ground up immediately.
Seems like respondents actually preferred “development differences” rather than “disorders”
Also, that paper doesn’t ask about how people with developmental differences view themselves as either healthy or unhealthy; you’re making that leap on your own.
I can’t speak for anyone’s chromosomes, but if someone called my hearing disability a “hearing difference” I would feel like they’re infantilizing me.
Not the same thing. “Disorder” (as the above poster said) suggests a deviation from “normal” that is somehow wrong. Intersex conditions aren’t inherently “wrong”, they are just statistically uncommon.
Disability status is another thing entirely, and is largely a reflection of the society in which the person lives.
A. That’s nice, you’re not a member of the community you’re referring to while the poll respondents in the study were and there’s a clear difference in preferences.
B. There’s actually a big issue with the Deaf community not wanting to be viewed as disabled and strongly preferring the use of the term Deaf over “hearing disability.”
That’s nice. But I’m not deaf, I have a hearing disability.
Cool, looks like you’re getting the point.
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That’s about as useful as the rest of your input has been.
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“They don’t mind” = 65% rated the term as neutral to good when discussing the issue with their clinicians. The authors weren’t asking about how the terms were used by Joe Schmo, they were asking about it in the context of talking to their doctor, where I would presume standards are probably a little different.
This is reading like you didn’t make it past the first two sentences in the abstract when you were grabbing the first result off Google Scholar that looked like it supported your argument.
Jesus Christ, are you dense? We are talking about something that doctors call a disorder. What else am I supposed to call it? Also I don’t use Google, fuck that company
The fact that that’s controversial resulted in the paper you cited being written.
There’s a third term in the paper that you cited that more people rated positively than “developmental disorder,” so maybe that one.
The fact is its not controversial to call it a disorder and … Just because some people prefer something else doesn’t make what they prefer to be a medical fact or the other option to be offensive.
Here it is, actual proof you didn’t make it to the third sentence of the abstract.