Seems like respondents actually preferred “development differences” rather than “disorders”
Also, that paper doesn’t ask about how people with developmental differences view themselves as either healthy or unhealthy; you’re making that leap on your own.
Not the same thing. “Disorder” (as the above poster said) suggests a deviation from “normal” that is somehow wrong. Intersex conditions aren’t inherently “wrong”, they are just statistically uncommon.
Disability status is another thing entirely, and is largely a reflection of the society in which the person lives.
A. That’s nice, you’re not a member of the community you’re referring to while the poll respondents in the study were and there’s a clear difference in preferences.
B. There’s actually a big issue with the Deaf community not wanting to be viewed as disabled and strongly preferring the use of the term Deaf over “hearing disability.”
“They don’t mind” = 65% rated the term as neutral to good when discussing the issue with their clinicians. The authors weren’t asking about how the terms were used by Joe Schmo, they were asking about it in the context of talking to their doctor, where I would presume standards are probably a little different.
This is reading like you didn’t make it past the first two sentences in the abstract when you were grabbing the first result off Google Scholar that looked like it supported your argument.
Jesus Christ, are you dense? We are talking about something that doctors call a disorder.
What else am I supposed to call it?
Also I don’t use Google, fuck that company
The fact is its not controversial to call it a disorder and … Just because some people prefer something else doesn’t make what they prefer to be a medical fact or the other option to be offensive.
I dunno, let’s see what it says in the introduction:
Today, the new nomenclature is widely accepted, although not by all clinicians and researchers (Pasterski, Prentice, &
Hughes, 2010a). Some authors argue that the diagnosis CAH
should not be included in Disorders of Sex Development, since in
most cases gender identity and gender assignment is not proble-
matic. Also, males with CAH do not present with developmental
problems of the reproductive system (Gonzalez & Ludwikowski,
2016). The ESPE Diagnosis Classification published in 2007
stated that “disorders of gonadal differentiation, that do not
result in sex reversal/virilised female infant/undervirilised male
such as: Klinefelter syndrome and Turner syndrome” should be
excluded from the section sex chromosome DSD (Wit, Ranke, &
Kelnar, 2007), contrary to the inclusive approach of the Chicago
consensus (Pasterski, Prentice, & Hughes, 2010b).
Thus, it looks like the controversy is among practitioners, while the authors note that no one has really examined what the individuals with the conditions (as you quoted in your other comment) think. Which is what the paper was attempting to answer.
I’m not going line by line over this paper with you, you’re going to have to read the rest on your own.
Seems like respondents actually preferred “development differences” rather than “disorders”
Also, that paper doesn’t ask about how people with developmental differences view themselves as either healthy or unhealthy; you’re making that leap on your own.
I can’t speak for anyone’s chromosomes, but if someone called my hearing disability a “hearing difference” I would feel like they’re infantilizing me.
Not the same thing. “Disorder” (as the above poster said) suggests a deviation from “normal” that is somehow wrong. Intersex conditions aren’t inherently “wrong”, they are just statistically uncommon.
Disability status is another thing entirely, and is largely a reflection of the society in which the person lives.
A. That’s nice, you’re not a member of the community you’re referring to while the poll respondents in the study were and there’s a clear difference in preferences.
B. There’s actually a big issue with the Deaf community not wanting to be viewed as disabled and strongly preferring the use of the term Deaf over “hearing disability.”
That’s nice. But I’m not deaf, I have a hearing disability.
Cool, looks like you’re getting the point.
Chew glass
That’s about as useful as the rest of your input has been.
Yes your passive aggressive ableism was a huge help. Literally chew glass. Chew it, swallow it, shit blood.
Thank you for your helpful sensitivity lesson, author of “I can’t speak for anyone’s chromosomes, but…”
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“They don’t mind” = 65% rated the term as neutral to good when discussing the issue with their clinicians. The authors weren’t asking about how the terms were used by Joe Schmo, they were asking about it in the context of talking to their doctor, where I would presume standards are probably a little different.
This is reading like you didn’t make it past the first two sentences in the abstract when you were grabbing the first result off Google Scholar that looked like it supported your argument.
Jesus Christ, are you dense? We are talking about something that doctors call a disorder. What else am I supposed to call it? Also I don’t use Google, fuck that company
The fact that that’s controversial resulted in the paper you cited being written.
There’s a third term in the paper that you cited that more people rated positively than “developmental disorder,” so maybe that one.
The fact is its not controversial to call it a disorder and … Just because some people prefer something else doesn’t make what they prefer to be a medical fact or the other option to be offensive.
Here it is, actual proof you didn’t make it to the third sentence of the abstract.
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I dunno, let’s see what it says in the introduction:
Thus, it looks like the controversy is among practitioners, while the authors note that no one has really examined what the individuals with the conditions (as you quoted in your other comment) think. Which is what the paper was attempting to answer.
I’m not going line by line over this paper with you, you’re going to have to read the rest on your own.
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