• @Lemvi
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    281 year ago

    It is kinda valid though, historically the US has not necessarily been supporting the more democratic option as much as the less socialist one.

    • @deft@ttrpg.network
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      71 year ago

      this is any rich country don’t let that be forgotten. From canada to france to china and russia, imperialism or imperial adjacent has been the strategy

    • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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      11 year ago

      The US has never supported democracy outside it’s borders - it has never even been very keen on democracy within it’s borders.

      Also, the US has long ago ceased to be worried about socialism - the biggest threat to it’s neocolonialist hegemony is nationalism, not socialism. That’s the whole reason it funded fundamentalist, far-right Islamism into being to undermine nationalism in the Arab world (ie, the same reason Israel funded Hamas back in the late 80s).

        • @AA5B@lemmy.world
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          31 year ago

          Not really an excuse but you have to remember at that time we were at the height of the Cold War, we had the “red scare” and McCarthyism. “Commies” were thought of as an existential threat

          • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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            11 year ago

            “Commies” were thought of as an existential threat

            No. The post-WW2 “red scare” was pretty much just a pretext to wage war on the 3rd world - the real red-and-black scare happened after WW1 (that’s where the fetishization of “border security” and the obsessive policing of nationality stems from).

            That’s what the (so-called) “Cold War” was really all about - the US violently replacing the old European powers as the world’s foremost colonialist empire. And it sure as hell managed to rack up the bodycount to prove it.

              • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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                11 year ago

                That’s quite an imaginative perspective

                No, it isn’t. It doesn’t require imagination at all. If you want something that requires a crap-ton of imagination, go see the narratives the US has been spinning about the (so-called) “Cold War” - you have to be pretty high on “westernism” to buy any of it.

                • @orrk@lemmy.world
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                  11 year ago

                  it sort of does, after all pre WW2 there weren’t two massive “communist” states (let’s be honest they were as communist as Germany during WW2) that had a tendency to try and expand via military means

                  • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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                    11 year ago

                    The expansionism of the USSR and the PRC, while certainly extant, is still kindergarten stuff in comparison with even the earliest of the European colonialist empires - never mind the utterly psychotic control-fetish with nukes that is the US.