I just wish I had a connection to a history. I’m a product of white supremacy accomplishing it’s goals. I have zero connection to my ancestors. I have no idea where I came from and neither do my parents. (Can’t ask them anyway. Not in contact). It fucking sucks ass.
You have connection to history as anyone else, there is nobody who is more and less historied. Moreover, even the idea of having a localized identity which may or may not be institutionally robust that used to highlight a regional socio-cultural and historical presence disintegrated in most of the world already and everyone exists in the permanent global present which has its own culture and subculture. Everyone looks for authenticity in this and some people are just more romanticized and some larp more than others, which depends entirely on their relation to permanent global present and not any genuine history that’s somehow more real than others.
I literally do not know who my realities are past the ones I knew when they were alive. And my parents (who are super isolationist) do not know either. I have a history. If I didn’t I wouldn’t exist. The problem is I have no idea what it is. Like a locked book hidden from me.
I do not think its romanticism to feel isolated from this lack of connection to my past. Even the broader world is hard to connect with as a poor rural person living in propaganda USA. I do my best to create connections that were denied to me growing up. But it doesn’t mean that loss isn’t there.
What’s it that you are feeling the absence of, that you think you could know or someone you feel is more historied would know? In addition, what do you have envision as the connection if this information was available to you that you feel you are missing now? I am asking this genuinely.
I feel your feeling of a lost past and the apparent melancholy of it, is more of a profound feeling about one’s ancestry than most people ever think or feel about their family history beyond maybe their grandparents.
I think its mostly just the absence of knowledge itself. Even if I found ansestory in some group it doesn’t mean a automatic connection of course. But at least I would know and not only would it help this feeling of like I just popped out of no where. It feels like a fuck you to the ruling class and white supremacy who orchestrated this lack of knowledge.
Idk maybe part of what I’m looking for is a type of closure.
Eh… Just because you aren’t white doesn’t mean you’re any more connected to your ancestral history.
I for one know a lot more about the Czech side of the family than I do the Korean. Part of that is because the Czech side were all part of the Moravian church, and were obsessed with record keeping. While the Korean side was torn in two by the Korean war. So I mainly just have some pictures and stories going back to my grandparents, and that about it.
No worries, I didn’t take offence or anything. Just thought I’d add another perspective. Modernity and globalization has its ups and downs, and tends to make things like ancestry a little more complicated than it used to be.
Do you know anything about your ancestors beyond your parents? Pretty easy to do family history research just on your computer using findagrave or familysearch, both free. And of course contacting local historical societies once you get some names/dates. I’m one quarter Lebanese but the most interesting of my ancestors (including from a left wing perspective) have been the Germans. You might be surprised at what you find.
Going on one if them sites to see the vigorous history of Johann Gargleshitgietzballscrackermayo, the most famous of my ancestors from Bumblefük Switzerland, known for his excellent life of fish guts removal and dying of super herpaghonnasyphilaids, the black death, super cancer, and being executed by the duke for wearing his clogs wrong
That shit is made up, y’all can collectively stop being white at any time by learning about your history, making amends with the people y’all stepped on, and learning to find joy in yourself that doesn’t involve exploitation or appropriation.
even if we did, you’re not part of a culture genetically, you’re part of it because you were raised in and participate in it.
If that culture is american hegemonic white supremacy and you reject it, there’s not really a replacement unless you can physically leave and assimilate somewhere.
Except those people make you who you are. I don’t consider myself “German” or “Lebanese” but seeing my ancestors who were anti-monarchists, liberal intellectuals during the time of the French Revolution, and then came to the USA and supported abolitionist causes, maybe I’m not a huge black sheep in my family. I’m sure I have a bone to pick with them in a lot of ways, but I can also see a clear line from them to me
there’s follow on effects from the people who raised the people who raised the people who raised you or whatever but it gets diluted pretty quickly and coca cola has more to do with our holidays than great grandma.
the only line for me is that they decided to be settlers and the united states still exist.
I’ve tried that. Though I need to try more on my Mother’s side. My dads family is like they popped out of no where. Even doing a broad search on the last name doesn’t really lead to any results.
It doesn’t really matter. There’s so many things about yourself as a person that you can build up all on your own, you don’t really need it. Not to denigrate people’s heritage or anything, but if you’re just an Anglo mutt it’s whatever. You are you, developing yourself outside of weird heritage stuff is far more important
I guess I have too much of a proclivity toward what certain people who learned the wrong lessons from Stalin would call “rootless cosmopolitanism,” but I think we do have history and the idea of some people having more or less is a fiction, a distortion of reality based on what is easy to narrativize and what people like to have as narratives. Most of my ancestors would spit on me if not worse, so I guess I’m probably not the one to ask, but I don’t think that they pass on some magical spirit to me, nor would they if I knew more about them, nor would I want them to (for the traditions of dead generations weigh upon the brains of the living like a nightmare, or however the expression goes). There is a web of causality that in part produced me like other people have semi-overlapping webs of causality that produced them and anything beyond that is just stories that we tell each other and ourselves for basically the same reasons as religious stories are told.
Of course, I’m not going to tell this unprompted to someone who is really into that stuff (hence I never said it on this board before, except to criticize the practice of using blood quanta to appropriate cultural identity), but that’s for the same reason I don’t bother Christians who are minding their own business.
I don’t mean it in a spiritual sense. I mean it literally. I have a history or I wouldn’t be here but I have no idea what it is. I don’t expect it to be sunshine and rainbows. But it’s a history I don’t know. Its like there is a history book out there that Is locked and hidden from me.
It’s very isolating in ways that is hard to express.
White “”““people””“” have none and deserve to have none. Just be like me, a fellow whitoid and make our own history of badposts and furry smut from the ground up !
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I just wish I had a connection to a history. I’m a product of white supremacy accomplishing it’s goals. I have zero connection to my ancestors. I have no idea where I came from and neither do my parents. (Can’t ask them anyway. Not in contact). It fucking sucks ass.
You have connection to history as anyone else, there is nobody who is more and less historied. Moreover, even the idea of having a localized identity which may or may not be institutionally robust that used to highlight a regional socio-cultural and historical presence disintegrated in most of the world already and everyone exists in the permanent global present which has its own culture and subculture. Everyone looks for authenticity in this and some people are just more romanticized and some larp more than others, which depends entirely on their relation to permanent global present and not any genuine history that’s somehow more real than others.
I literally do not know who my realities are past the ones I knew when they were alive. And my parents (who are super isolationist) do not know either. I have a history. If I didn’t I wouldn’t exist. The problem is I have no idea what it is. Like a locked book hidden from me.
I do not think its romanticism to feel isolated from this lack of connection to my past. Even the broader world is hard to connect with as a poor rural person living in propaganda USA. I do my best to create connections that were denied to me growing up. But it doesn’t mean that loss isn’t there.
What’s it that you are feeling the absence of, that you think you could know or someone you feel is more historied would know? In addition, what do you have envision as the connection if this information was available to you that you feel you are missing now? I am asking this genuinely.
I feel your feeling of a lost past and the apparent melancholy of it, is more of a profound feeling about one’s ancestry than most people ever think or feel about their family history beyond maybe their grandparents.
I think its mostly just the absence of knowledge itself. Even if I found ansestory in some group it doesn’t mean a automatic connection of course. But at least I would know and not only would it help this feeling of like I just popped out of no where. It feels like a fuck you to the ruling class and white supremacy who orchestrated this lack of knowledge.
Idk maybe part of what I’m looking for is a type of closure.
Eh… Just because you aren’t white doesn’t mean you’re any more connected to your ancestral history.
I for one know a lot more about the Czech side of the family than I do the Korean. Part of that is because the Czech side were all part of the Moravian church, and were obsessed with record keeping. While the Korean side was torn in two by the Korean war. So I mainly just have some pictures and stories going back to my grandparents, and that about it.
This is true and I shouldn’t of jumped to that conclusion. I apologize.
No worries, I didn’t take offence or anything. Just thought I’d add another perspective. Modernity and globalization has its ups and downs, and tends to make things like ancestry a little more complicated than it used to be.
Do you know anything about your ancestors beyond your parents? Pretty easy to do family history research just on your computer using findagrave or familysearch, both free. And of course contacting local historical societies once you get some names/dates. I’m one quarter Lebanese but the most interesting of my ancestors (including from a left wing perspective) have been the Germans. You might be surprised at what you find.
Going on one if them sites to see the vigorous history of Johann Gargleshitgietzballscrackermayo, the most famous of my ancestors from Bumblefük Switzerland, known for his excellent life of fish guts removal and dying of super herpaghonnasyphilaids, the black death, super cancer, and being executed by the duke for wearing his clogs wrong
you actually should, its pretty interesting to see how you got to where you are today.
White people are uninteresring
Then do it to calculate how much reparations your family owes.
The only reperation that would be adequate is a complete and utter destruction of the white race
That shit is made up, y’all can collectively stop being white at any time by learning about your history, making amends with the people y’all stepped on, and learning to find joy in yourself that doesn’t involve exploitation or appropriation.
It isn’t easy, but it gets better.
Claiming to be german when im a yank is worse than just calling myself a whitey, that shit usamericans do is cringe as hell
Whitoid americans should he obliterated via orbital tungsten rod drop
Would you rather be related to wealthy aristocrats and capitalists?
Yeah because then i’d have generational wealth and i could see the doctor regularly
even if we did, you’re not part of a culture genetically, you’re part of it because you were raised in and participate in it.
If that culture is american hegemonic white supremacy and you reject it, there’s not really a replacement unless you can physically leave and assimilate somewhere.
Except those people make you who you are. I don’t consider myself “German” or “Lebanese” but seeing my ancestors who were anti-monarchists, liberal intellectuals during the time of the French Revolution, and then came to the USA and supported abolitionist causes, maybe I’m not a huge black sheep in my family. I’m sure I have a bone to pick with them in a lot of ways, but I can also see a clear line from them to me
there’s follow on effects from the people who raised the people who raised the people who raised you or whatever but it gets diluted pretty quickly and coca cola has more to do with our holidays than great grandma.
the only line for me is that they decided to be settlers and the united states still exist.
I’ve tried that. Though I need to try more on my Mother’s side. My dads family is like they popped out of no where. Even doing a broad search on the last name doesn’t really lead to any results.
It doesn’t really matter. There’s so many things about yourself as a person that you can build up all on your own, you don’t really need it. Not to denigrate people’s heritage or anything, but if you’re just an Anglo mutt it’s whatever. You are you, developing yourself outside of weird heritage stuff is far more important
Lol same, that’s why I bury myself in ancient history books
I guess I have too much of a proclivity toward what certain people who learned the wrong lessons from Stalin would call “rootless cosmopolitanism,” but I think we do have history and the idea of some people having more or less is a fiction, a distortion of reality based on what is easy to narrativize and what people like to have as narratives. Most of my ancestors would spit on me if not worse, so I guess I’m probably not the one to ask, but I don’t think that they pass on some magical spirit to me, nor would they if I knew more about them, nor would I want them to (for the traditions of dead generations weigh upon the brains of the living like a nightmare, or however the expression goes). There is a web of causality that in part produced me like other people have semi-overlapping webs of causality that produced them and anything beyond that is just stories that we tell each other and ourselves for basically the same reasons as religious stories are told.
Of course, I’m not going to tell this unprompted to someone who is really into that stuff (hence I never said it on this board before, except to criticize the practice of using blood quanta to appropriate cultural identity), but that’s for the same reason I don’t bother Christians who are minding their own business.
I don’t mean it in a spiritual sense. I mean it literally. I have a history or I wouldn’t be here but I have no idea what it is. I don’t expect it to be sunshine and rainbows. But it’s a history I don’t know. Its like there is a history book out there that Is locked and hidden from me.
It’s very isolating in ways that is hard to express.
History and legacy is for people that have it
White “”““people””“” have none and deserve to have none. Just be like me, a fellow whitoid and make our own history of badposts and furry smut from the ground up !