There are people here who say that GNOME is a copy of MacOS I want to let you know that you that you are deeply unserious, one desktop is functional and the other is MacOS.
Same thing with people who say KDE is a Windows clone like Windows 11 didn’t just steal KDE design language but made it worse because unlike KDE which is unified, just a few clicks in Windows you are suddenly transported to 2010 with the old Windows control panels, and Windows users vastly prefer the older menus.
Linux desktops are superior to their proprietary rivals. We may not have Adobe (lmao who needs that shit 🥴), we may not have HDR (not yet, check back in a couple of months or half a year), we don’t have display mirroring (okay that one is valid) but our workflow is far superior.
GNOME did a lot of innovation and took A LOT of flak for it, but in the end they were right and most of the improvements to Windows Explorer after the disaster of Windows 8 were cribbed directly from it. The fact that you can launch a program on Windows by pressing the Windows key and typing two or three characters followed by enter is all thanks to GNOME. The fact that, after launching that program you can send it to the left half, right half, or full screen by pressing Windows-left, WIndows-right, or Windows-up is all thanks to GNOME. For all the talk in Windows 9x era programming manuals about how not all computers have mouse inputs, GNOME actually nailed down the keyboard-driven interface for “floating” window managers. The fact that you can hold ctrl-shift-left/right and drag these windows between several virtual desktops is just Linux users grave-dancing on Windows with a 10+ year old concept.
GNOME said anti-white racism isn’t real and the chud Linux community fucking IMPLODED style. Super based af but those chuds are the loudest so people get negative impressions of GNOME (and the GNU/Linux community) because of those chuds.
All the anti-GNOME, anti-Wayland, and anti-systemd people always seem to be chud coded. All this software has valid criticisms, but chuds always seem to latch onto weird social schisms and blow valid downsides out of proportion.
GNOME people just tend to not like bigotry, and that’s enough for chuds.
Workflow on Linux: Whatever I want.
Workflow on MacOS: Whatever they want, and if I want to change something, I have to install a third party tool reverse engineered from their private API that will break on every update.
I can’t see much except the most surface level similarities between GNOME and macOS, anyhow. After finally ditching Windows a couple of years back, I now use GNOME daily, and the transition was very natural. Annoyingly, I (have to) have macOS for occasional work stuff, and current macOS is nothing at all like GNOME except they both have dialog windows and popup menus, I guess? Even those don’t look or work similarly though, so I’m not sure where this idea that they are a copy came from. Maybe from people who haven’t used either one in years?
How in the hell macOS got a reputation for being intuitive, I do not understand; it is the polar opposite of intuitive. GNOME on the other hand, just works exactly as I would expect. It’s easy, it’s pretty, it’s free, and it doesn’t have any ads. Installing software is simple for non-technical people, and the home key takes you to the front of a line of text as you’d expect. 🤣
extra rant about macOS
Just about every time I try to do anything remotely productive in macOS it is massively frustrating and makes me literally angry.
The fucking home key doesn’t even work properly, you have to do some weird ass key combination that I can’t remember to get back to the front of a line of text.
Sometimes you hit the wrong key combination by accident, or have the audacity to click on the desktop, and suddenly every application you were using flies away.
Installing a downloaded application sometimes is just not fucking allowed without messing around under the hood because the app developer didn’t pay Apple’s fee to mark it “safe”.
The non-App Store installation process is confusing as shit. You have to click the “installer” disk image in your downloads to mount it, then click on the icon on your desktop (assuming you already knew it was going to show up there), which might then display a weird dialog with two icons just sitting there, and oh yeah you’re supposed to now also drag one of those icons and drop it over the other one, then unmount the disk image from your desktop or else it’s maybe confusing for your grandma when she uses the computer later and wants to run that application, like WTF is this process? Just fucking do the install and get out of the way!
If you want to do anything that doesn’t happen to have been blessed by Apple, you probably have to pay some asshole for an app that might maybe provide some hacky way to do it until a macOS update changes how shit works and breaks it.
Maybe it’s just me, but mouse clicks and general UI feedback from input on macOS feels incredibly sluggish all the time. I suppose they have subtle animation effects that are causing that, I dunno, but it always feels vaguely like trying to run underwater, and I’ve got one of the supposedly awesome Silicon M2 Mini purchased new within the last year, so I don’t see why it should be anything but snappy.
Just a constant barrage of basic established UI stuff functioning fundamentally differently for no apparent good reason is so god-damned frustrating in that pile of shit OS. I’m a technical user, so I can eventually figure out how to get done whatever I need to eventually, but holy fuck I don’t know how regular people manage in that usability abomination.
We may not have Adobe (lmao who needs that shit 🥴)
The majority of workers in many media-centric fields, unfortunately. Can’t for Adobe to rest on their laurels for so long that they finally lose some market share.
I’ve always seen people say that if you are coming from MacOS then try GNOME, and if you are coming from Windows then try KDE. This is the first time I’ve heard of anyone say either of those desktops blatantly ripped their respective OS’s off.
The two proprietary desktops are so feature-bloated that it’s hard to say exactly what “creative inspiration” was taken but KDE devs have talked about how they noticed Windows likes to copy KDE and even Deepin for their desktop for the “new and improved” ugly bottom bar that Windows users love to tell everyone they hate.
MacOS and Windows and KDE all use Qt as their toolkit so it’s not hard to see the similarities.
There are people here who say that GNOME is a copy of MacOS I want to let you know that you that you are deeply unserious, one desktop is functional and the other is MacOS.
Same thing with people who say KDE is a Windows clone like Windows 11 didn’t just steal KDE design language but made it worse because unlike KDE which is unified, just a few clicks in Windows you are suddenly transported to 2010 with the old Windows control panels, and Windows users vastly prefer the older menus.
Linux desktops are superior to their proprietary rivals. We may not have Adobe (lmao who needs that shit 🥴), we may not have HDR (not yet, check back in a couple of months or half a year), we don’t have display mirroring (okay that one is valid) but our workflow is far superior.
GNOME did a lot of innovation and took A LOT of flak for it, but in the end they were right and most of the improvements to Windows Explorer after the disaster of Windows 8 were cribbed directly from it. The fact that you can launch a program on Windows by pressing the Windows key and typing two or three characters followed by enter is all thanks to GNOME. The fact that, after launching that program you can send it to the left half, right half, or full screen by pressing Windows-left, WIndows-right, or Windows-up is all thanks to GNOME. For all the talk in Windows 9x era programming manuals about how not all computers have mouse inputs, GNOME actually nailed down the keyboard-driven interface for “floating” window managers. The fact that you can hold ctrl-shift-left/right and drag these windows between several virtual desktops is just Linux users grave-dancing on Windows with a 10+ year old concept.
mfw Linux file managers had tabs more than a decade before file explorer.
I hate that the GNOME team is called “woke”? by a lot of Linux-using chuds online. Idk why though, it’s so fucking weird.
GNOME said anti-white racism isn’t real and the chud Linux community fucking IMPLODED
style. Super based af but those chuds are the loudest so people get negative impressions of GNOME (and the GNU/Linux community) because of those chuds.
Lmao I always wondered what it was because these hogs never say why.
All the anti-GNOME, anti-Wayland, and anti-systemd people always seem to be chud coded. All this software has valid criticisms, but chuds always seem to latch onto weird social schisms and blow valid downsides out of proportion.
GNOME people just tend to not like bigotry, and that’s enough for chuds.
Workflow on Linux: Whatever I want. Workflow on MacOS: Whatever they want, and if I want to change something, I have to install a third party tool reverse engineered from their private API that will break on every update.
Gnome did kinda steal its look from osx though. Gnome looked nothing like that when osx was released.
Windows11 definitely stole a lot from KDE though.
I can’t see much except the most surface level similarities between GNOME and macOS, anyhow. After finally ditching Windows a couple of years back, I now use GNOME daily, and the transition was very natural. Annoyingly, I (have to) have macOS for occasional work stuff, and current macOS is nothing at all like GNOME except they both have dialog windows and popup menus, I guess? Even those don’t look or work similarly though, so I’m not sure where this idea that they are a copy came from. Maybe from people who haven’t used either one in years?
How in the hell macOS got a reputation for being intuitive, I do not understand; it is the polar opposite of intuitive. GNOME on the other hand, just works exactly as I would expect. It’s easy, it’s pretty, it’s free, and it doesn’t have any ads. Installing software is simple for non-technical people, and the home key takes you to the front of a line of text as you’d expect. 🤣
extra rant about macOS
Just about every time I try to do anything remotely productive in macOS it is massively frustrating and makes me literally angry.
Just a constant barrage of basic established UI stuff functioning fundamentally differently for no apparent good reason is so god-damned frustrating in that pile of shit OS. I’m a technical user, so I can eventually figure out how to get done whatever I need to eventually, but holy fuck I don’t know how regular people manage in that usability abomination.
From the few Mac enthusiasts I keep in touch with, MacOS peaked with Catalina apparently. It’s like their version of Windows 7.
The majority of workers in many media-centric fields, unfortunately. Can’t for Adobe to rest on their laurels for so long that they finally lose some market share.
I’ve always seen people say that if you are coming from MacOS then try GNOME, and if you are coming from Windows then try KDE. This is the first time I’ve heard of anyone say either of those desktops blatantly ripped their respective OS’s off.
The two proprietary desktops are so feature-bloated that it’s hard to say exactly what “creative inspiration” was taken but KDE devs have talked about how they noticed Windows likes to copy KDE and even Deepin for their desktop for the “new and improved” ugly bottom bar that Windows users love to tell everyone they hate.
MacOS and Windows and KDE all use Qt as their toolkit so it’s not hard to see the similarities.
? QT supports MacOS, Windows, and KDE and is very popular but is only the default toolkit for KDE.
Sorry I was wrong about that part, MacOS and Windows use their own proprietary application stack.
They’re even worse than I thought.
Too bad em-dollar sign couldn’t steal KDE Plasma’s ability to create side panels.