• @SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
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    Yeah, more software was written for the more user-friendly computers with the (generally) less-technical userbase.

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      Yeah, the people at Pixar have no clue how to use a computer. Lol

      In all seriousness, even the same media software, like Pro Tools, is more versatile on Mac than on Windows. I can say that with first-hand experience.

      The “dumbed-down” Apple device is the iPhone. You get admin privileges on MacOS like a big boy. You can use bash or zsh commands in Terminal all you want.

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        You get admin privileges on MacOS like a big boy. You can use bash or zsh commands in Terminal all you want.

        Cool. So try updating to a version of Bash from the last 15 years, because the pre-installed one is Bash 3, because Bash 4 and 5 are under the GPLv3 license, which Apple won’t comply with.

        …ah, no, you can’t update the pre-installed Bash, because it’s on a section of the file system that is read-only even with admin access. You can install Bash 5 as a separate shell, and use that as your default terminal shell, but any scripts written with the standard #!/bin/bash instead of the more flexible #!/usr/bin/env bash will still use Bash 3.

        This “handholding” (or really, a safety net) is arguably a good thing, or at least a positive tradeoff; but you can’t claim it doesn’t exist.

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          I agree it’s not as limitless as Linux, but there’s plenty of room for advanced users.

          I’ve never needed to use a newer version of Bash. What is an example of something one couldn’t do with Bash 3 or zsh?

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            I get that this is an Apples to Oranges comparison, but Powershell 7 is way easier to use than the default Windows Powershell because of autocomplete. I imagine that newer versions of Bash have made improvements that are similarly powerful.

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            It’s not so much a problem of there being things you “can’t do” in other shells or older Bash, as that it breaks existing shell scripts, which is frustrating.

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              Ok, yeah, I can see that there would be times this could matter but like 90% of the time this wouldn’t have mattered for my use case afaik. I didn’t realize you couldn’t backup the old copy in /bin and symlink to the brew one from there. In fact I thought I did do that long ago.

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            If it’s anything like when I used a Mac regularly 7y ago, Homebrew doesn’t install to /bin, it installs to /usr/local/bin, which only works for scripts that use env in their shell “marker” (if you don’t call it directly with the shell). You’re just putting a higher bash in the path, not truly updating the one that comes with the system.

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        Yeah, the people at Pixar have no clue how to use a computer. Lol

        Do you really expect their artists to be IT experts? You seem to be stuck in the early 90s mindset when “knowing how to use a computer” covered all disciplines.

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        Did you miss the word “generally?”

        Having a familiar console is nice, but you still can’t truly tinker with all the nuts and bolts.

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          Sure you can. You can even override the T2 chip in Recovery Mode. The thing I miss on an Apple Silicon Mac is installing Windows. It was a big downside for me, so I held onto my Intel Mac until a few years ago. I used to have a tri-boot Mac Pro running Snow Leopard/Windows XP/Red Hat. Then I downgraded to an Intel iMac with macOS/Windows before my M2. I do miss the versatility of Intel Macs.