She definitely has a real chance. Biden’s biggest weaknesses were his age and his record. Harris isn’t old (especially compared to Trump), can more easily back off Biden’s least-popular positions, and it’s harder to blame her for not accomplishing as much as the guy ostensibly running the show.
Trump is also not some electoral juggernaut; he’s basically a walking gaffe/outrage machine with an endless supply of skeletons in his closet.
I agree. She’s a complete piece of shit, but she’s not a sundowning Silent Generation segregationist. If she plays her cards right and the Republicans keep saying weird shit like this fence sitters might be driven to vote for her.
People dunked on her for her debate plan to say “Why are you being so weird?” but it’s honestly probably pretty good strategy if (big if) she can convince people she’s normal.
I think it’s at least 50/50, but I also think the lathe has been emitting unholy smoke and fire and i have no fucking idea what is even possible anymore.
Biden dropping out was the Dark Horse everyone was hoping for, and now for the first time since 2015 I can’t even guess who’s going to be president next year. How exciting!
it was pretty obvious biden was most likely going to win, and it was far from a landslide but still pretty decisive, far from incredibly close. polling aggregate from 538 before the election:
for reference, they gave hillary clinton a 70/30 chance, so her loss was fairy probable
I think that’s completely fair. I’m on the left (lower case l) and I don’t know anyone who voted for Biden, but plenty who voted against Trump. Biden was a wholly uninspiring candidate, and if you’d asked me in the early days of the 2020 primary who was going to win, Biden was near the bottom with Yang imo. Especially after his disastrous debate performance, dude looked and acted like they’d just done CPR on him minutes beforehand.
I didn’t think Bernie was going to win that election, but there was that moment when the establishment Dems were on the bottom of the polls, and Bernie was ahead. It was the last time I felt any kind of hope for a process to go our way.
Yup. He was my first election. I didn’t vote for him for a second term. He blew it the second nobody got in trouble for the bank collapse and letting the bush admin off the hook.
Bernie would have beaten the absolute dogshit out of Trump, imo. That little stunt the Democrats pulled in all dropping out and giving their delegates to Biden and declaring him the de facto winner after [checks notes] he won one of four primaries, on top of all of the shit in 2016, has made me completely cynical towards them. I’ve got the fastest eye roll in the West for anybody who insists that the democratic primary reflects the will of the voters.
Lots of people here weren’t. I was pretty sure Biden would win and in my electoral map guess I think I only got one state wrong. There were plenty of people calling it both ways, there wasn’t a sitewide consensus that Trump would win.
I think what he means is more alpng the lines of whether Trump will excite his base more than he will exicte the dem base to turn out against him. Not so much about “losing” votes
Agreed. People are starving for a normal candidate, and Kamala strikes me as only being abnormal in how much of an absolute normie she is. She has almost no baggage at all, she has experience as a prosecutor (which should speak to her ability to communicate) and landed some pretty good body shots on Biden in the 2020 primary debates, and she has almost none of the problems that Trump and Biden shared (brain-addled golf-obsessed septuagenarians), and she can lay claim to Biden’s W’s and have plausible deniability for his L’s. Kamala has previously come across as a little too scripted, and that’s born out in other reports about her being something of an overbearing perfectionist, but I think that’s nothing that the DNC war machine can’t polish up. I think Kamala’s got a real shot here.
Honestly, I’m kind of appreciating the normie perspective you’re bringing here with this comment. While I disagree with the “no baggage” statement, I don’t think her baggage will harm her with the broader fascist American public. The only people who will really care about all of the horrible things she did as DA/AG are those of us already on the left.
That’s exactly what I meant when I said almost no baggage. The average canter/auth voter in the US couldn’t give two shits about Kamala being an over-aggressive DA. A lot of them probably appreciate it, even. Being more libertarian minded, it bothers me, but not remotely as much as Project 2025 does.
Well, which is it? She either persuaded lots of juries to lock up all kinds of people (she did) or she sucks at communicating, I find it hard to imagine how both could be true. At any rate, she’ll communicate better than Biden, who famously said [unintelligible]
A person can be wrong without it being PPB territory tbh. I stand by thinking that person was being entirely normal and not worth that kind of reaction.
Honestly, I really don’t know about that. I feel like I’m in the minority on this website on this, but I think she has a strong chance.
She definitely has a real chance. Biden’s biggest weaknesses were his age and his record. Harris isn’t old (especially compared to Trump), can more easily back off Biden’s least-popular positions, and it’s harder to blame her for not accomplishing as much as the guy ostensibly running the show.
Trump is also not some electoral juggernaut; he’s basically a walking gaffe/outrage machine with an endless supply of skeletons in his closet.
you mean CONVICTED FELON Donald Drumpf
I agree. She’s a complete piece of shit, but she’s not a sundowning Silent Generation segregationist. If she plays her cards right and the Republicans keep saying weird shit like this fence sitters might be driven to vote for her.
People dunked on her for her debate plan to say “Why are you being so weird?” but it’s honestly probably pretty good strategy if (big if) she can convince people she’s normal.
I think it’s at least 50/50, but I also think the lathe has been emitting unholy smoke and fire and i have no fucking idea what is even possible anymore.
Biden dropping out was the Dark Horse everyone was hoping for, and now for the first time since 2015 I can’t even guess who’s going to be president next year. How exciting!
Definitely the most entertaining election in my lifetime so far
I remember in 2020 this site was convinced that Trump would beat Biden. This website assumes the worst at times.
It was an incredibly close election and literally everyone was wrong about which way which demographics would vote
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it was pretty obvious biden was most likely going to win, and it was far from a landslide but still pretty decisive, far from incredibly close. polling aggregate from 538 before the election:
for reference, they gave hillary clinton a 70/30 chance, so her loss was fairy probable
numbers are voodoo witchcraft forbidden by papal decree, begone heretic
I still think Biden would have gotten destroyed if it wasn’t for covid
Covid did absolutely did Trump in
I think that’s completely fair. I’m on the left (lower case l) and I don’t know anyone who voted for Biden, but plenty who voted against Trump. Biden was a wholly uninspiring candidate, and if you’d asked me in the early days of the 2020 primary who was going to win, Biden was near the bottom with Yang imo. Especially after his disastrous debate performance, dude looked and acted like they’d just done CPR on him minutes beforehand.
I didn’t think Bernie was going to win that election, but there was that moment when the establishment Dems were on the bottom of the polls, and Bernie was ahead. It was the last time I felt any kind of hope for a process to go our way.
Don’t you just love it that the “hope” dude (Obama) was the one to take away our hopes?*
*Obama is widely considered to have orchestrated everyone except Biden and Warren dropping out on the same day, flipping the table for Biden.
Yup. He was my first election. I didn’t vote for him for a second term. He blew it the second nobody got in trouble for the bank collapse and letting the bush admin off the hook.
Bernie would have beaten the absolute dogshit out of Trump, imo. That little stunt the Democrats pulled in all dropping out and giving their delegates to Biden and declaring him the de facto winner after [checks notes] he won one of four primaries, on top of all of the shit in 2016, has made me completely cynical towards them. I’ve got the fastest eye roll in the West for anybody who insists that the democratic primary reflects the will of the voters.
Lots of people here weren’t. I was pretty sure Biden would win and in my electoral map guess I think I only got one state wrong. There were plenty of people calling it both ways, there wasn’t a sitewide consensus that Trump would win.
This site did the same thing again in 2022 midterms lol.
remember in early 2020 when most of the subreddit thought covid was a little flu being sensationalized by the media?
I think she has a better chance than biden plus trump can always fuck up
How could Trump do anything that would possibly lose him voters?
I think what he means is more alpng the lines of whether Trump will excite his base more than he will exicte the dem base to turn out against him. Not so much about “losing” votes
He could tell them to drink bleach again (but mix it with ammonia this time)
Agreed. People are starving for a normal candidate, and Kamala strikes me as only being abnormal in how much of an absolute normie she is. She has almost no baggage at all, she has experience as a prosecutor (which should speak to her ability to communicate) and landed some pretty good body shots on Biden in the 2020 primary debates, and she has almost none of the problems that Trump and Biden shared (brain-addled golf-obsessed septuagenarians), and she can lay claim to Biden’s W’s and have plausible deniability for his L’s. Kamala has previously come across as a little too scripted, and that’s born out in other reports about her being something of an overbearing perfectionist, but I think that’s nothing that the DNC war machine can’t polish up. I think Kamala’s got a real shot here.
Honestly, I’m kind of appreciating the normie perspective you’re bringing here with this comment. While I disagree with the “no baggage” statement, I don’t think her baggage will harm her with the broader fascist American public. The only people who will really care about all of the horrible things she did as DA/AG are those of us already on the left.
That’s exactly what I meant when I said almost no baggage. The average canter/auth voter in the US couldn’t give two shits about Kamala being an over-aggressive DA. A lot of them probably appreciate it, even. Being more libertarian minded, it bothers me, but not remotely as much as Project 2025 does.
lol. lmao
Well, which is it? She either persuaded lots of juries to lock up all kinds of people (she did) or she sucks at communicating, I find it hard to imagine how both could be true. At any rate, she’ll communicate better than Biden, who famously said [unintelligible]
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This wasnt a PPB situation at all lol. Clear example of some of us being too trigger happy with that.
Maybe Kamala’s style doesnt work with you but I think she does have an ability to communicate and I dont think random lemm.ee person is wrong here.
if you really think her time as prosecutor is good evidence of her persuasion abilities I don’t know what to tell you
A person can be wrong without it being PPB territory tbh. I stand by thinking that person was being entirely normal and not worth that kind of reaction.
biden’s actually a silent gen octogenarian lol