• @aliteral@lemmy.world
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    253 months ago

    As a South American who had to choose between right and extreme right, being a leftist, I completely understand the frustration about voting Biden. And what’s more, agree completely he does not deserve to be voted. But, in order to defeat fascism and with all other cards now played, Biden is the lesser of two evils and taking the moral high ground could result on fascism taking over the USA. I suggest voting for Biden. My two cents…

    • @madcaesar@lemmy.world
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      33 months ago

      He’s not the lesser of two evils. Cut this horseshit rhetoric. Biden has done a good job. No-one is perfect but calling him evil is just right wing propaganda both sides bullshit.

      Trump is evil. If you want to see evil, vote Trump.

      • Diva (she/her)
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        63 months ago

        several hundred years ago we had the choice between electing a slaveowner that fucked his slaves vs a slaveowner that didn’t fuck his slaves. Now we get to pick between a genocidal warmonger bent on keeping us all in debt servitude that is pro trans rights vs a genocidal dictatorship that is against trans rights.

        Biden sucks ass, stop gaslighting us if you want us to vote for your shithead

        • @Katana314@lemmy.world
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          -43 months ago

          When did Biden support genocide?

          Failing to do enough to immediately prevent an entirely separate foreign government from conducting its own genocide does not count.

            • @Katana314@lemmy.world
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              -23 months ago

              Why would Israel have a hard time getting munitions from any other first-world country, especially when they have the excuse of getting attacked by terrorists?

                • @Katana314@lemmy.world
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                  -13 months ago

                  Withholding munitions from Israel doesn’t stop the genocide. I’m keeping that end goal in mind.

                  • Diva (she/her)
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                    Why would Israel have a hard time getting munitions from any other first-world country, especially when they have the excuse of getting attacked by terrorists?

                    Withholding munitions from Israel doesn’t stop the genocide.

                    Maybe we should stop sending weapons to Ukraine since they’re going to be able to buy them from someone else

          • @naught101@lemmy.world
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            43 months ago

            If I was american I’d obviously be voting for Biden, but ignoring or denying that he’s supporting the genocide currently being undertaken by the Israeli government doesn’t make him look better.

            Of course, Trump would support it too, hence the obviously.

      • @aliteral@lemmy.world
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        43 months ago

        I understand where are you coming from. But you honestly believe that a person that enables genocide abroad isn’t evil?

        • @Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee
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          83 months ago

          By your logic, every leader of a 1st world country for the last several decades is evil.

          I have this conversation every single time I open up lemmy these days…

          Biden isn’t enabling a genocide. If the US completely stopped sending anything to Israel, Israel would still be conducting this genocide. Netanyahu said so himself. Israel generates its own war supplies and exports its excess.

          The only thing that would change is the US would lose the influence it has left in the middle east and some other (likely hostile) nation would scoop up that spot. That’s the real reason the US is still party to this.

          Everyone who believes Biden is evil because they think he has a magic genocide-off button on his desk isn’t paying attention.

          • Diva (she/her)
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            63 months ago

            By your logic, every leader of a 1st world country for the last several decades is evil.

            They are, unironically

            • @naught101@lemmy.world
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              73 months ago

              The US is one of only a few countries that have voted against the last two UN resolutions. You’re not wrong, but the US government is a special type of evil.

              • Diva (she/her)
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                53 months ago

                Both the Biden and Trump regimes have also opposed separate UN resolutions against condemning the glorification of Nazism

            • @Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee
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              13 months ago

              I’m not saying they aren’t. I’m saying that taking the moral high ground by relinquishing your vote to choose between a number of leaders because you don’t want to vote for someone “evil” means that you are disqualifying yourself from every major election almost everywhere by default.

              That’s an enormously stupid take.

              • Diva (she/her)
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                03 months ago

                Everyone who believes Biden is evil because they think he has a magic genocide-off button on his desk isn’t paying attention.

                Who’s been blocking the last two UN resolutions on a ceasefire? Who’s been bypassing congress to arm a genocidal settler state? I’m sure Trump would also do this, maybe worse, but stop trying to pretend your corpse emperors shit doesn’t stink

                • @Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee
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                  23 months ago

                  🙄 Way to miss the point.

                  Do you understand that it’s possible to hold the belief that what the US is doing with Israel is wrong and also realize that the US can’t independently stop it from happening?

                  Did you read what I typed or not? The reason the US is still in this is their influence in the middle east. I’m not arguing that corpse-emperor is almighty and correct, I’m saying that geopolitics is a thing.

                  If we can’t have an actual discussion about this without you putting words in my mouth to paint it like I support that, then I guess this conversation ends here.

                  • Diva (she/her)
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                    03 months ago

                    I’m reading what you typed, you’re just wrong and appear to have a tenuous grip on reality so I’m fine to stop talking here too.

          • @aliteral@lemmy.world
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            23 months ago

            I understand and agree. But being complicit and helping the genocide (and basically enabling it by not saying it is one out loud) could be considered evil.

            Now, Biden may not be evil. But it’s foreign policy in this regard might be.

            Still, the genocide will be carried out. But enabling it does not help. And I say it again. If Biden is evil, it does not matter. It is better than Trump. You do not need to portray him in a good light. He just needs to be supported more than Trump. Vote Biden.

            We Argentinians elected a fascist as president. I can and would have got behind the right if it meant stopping this pos.

      • @nexguy@lemmy.world
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        Biden is presiding over the most progressive/liberal administration in U.S. history. That doesn’t mean it’s liberal enough but it sure as hell beats any previous administration by a mile.

      • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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        -13 months ago

        He’s not the lesser of two evils.

        I wish Americans had enough of a heart to give your average Palestinian the same benefit of the doubt as Strom Thurmond’s best friend.