• Kind_to_Everyone@slrpnk.net
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    8 hours ago

    There is literally no constitutional or legal provision for a president to declare martial law.

    All a president has is the Insurrection Act, and I would be shocked if it were not struck down almost immediately if invoked because people were actively voting or an election was lost.

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      8 hours ago

      Oh thank God! I rest easy knowing that it is not legal for the president to declare martial law. The law being reliably enforced, and the president being law-abiding, as things currently are. /s

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      You’re being downvoted, but I have a hard time believing that republicans will allow this. It would be catastrophically bad for their party and when it’s time for Trump to be gone, they will turn on him faster than a motor shaft.

      You’re telling me that the “We the People” crowd is going to ok with martial law? The thing that conservatives have been fear mongering since Obama?

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        They’ve been fine with everything else he’s done up til now. He literally launched an insurrection last time he lost and was still allowed back into power.

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          6 hours ago

          Do you also believe Trump will be president in 2029? I personally believe Republicans only use Trump to remain in power. Once he’s no longer useful to them, they will drop his ass.

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            Do you also believe Trump will be president in 2029?

            I wouldn’t rule it out. He will remain useful until he’s gone for good. They’ve backed his every move so far and plenty of it was worth standing up to, but they didn’t. There’s no reason to think they’ll start being decent people now. They’re all too busy grifting his moronic base.

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        I have a hard time believing that republicans will allow this.

        I don’t.

        You’re telling me that the “We the People” crowd is going to ok with martial law?

        Do you remember January 6th? If they were going to turn against Trump, that would have been the time. Republicans love the idea of martial law being used against protestors and racial minorities.

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          Jan 6th? Where a bunch of dorks failed to storm a building and the second one of them was shot they took off? Oooooo such tough guys

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    19 hours ago

    To those that didn’t see that coming, I’m sorry. To those that did, I know you have the supplies to ride the storm, and I’ll see you on the other end of this. Hopefully it’s over reasonably soon and we can rebuild better.

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    21 hours ago

    And this at a time where neither Congress nor the Supreme Court seem willing to provide checks and balances on the executive.

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        18 hours ago

        Been promoting the idea of exercising 1st and 2nd amendments to build villages and be harder to oppress.

        People have been wholly uninterested. I have no idea what people expect to do when the gestapo comes for them, but now I’m just looking out for myself. This country is fucked.

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      20 hours ago

      Better just do a general strike, if everyone (not realistic but a good chunk) stopped doing their thing it’d make those in charge get it. I don’t meant the Trump administration, whoever is really in charge and giving orders. Like anyone in the administration besides heritage foundation and project 2025 writer (to be fair not sole author) Russel Vought, he may have some real pull for sure.

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    Feds are already crawling all over the place, no more free press, supreme court is pocketed, congress has fucked off.

    What would martial law do? Make a cerfuw or something?

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        19 hours ago

        And to be clear for those that don’t know already, that means us. We will be cleand up. All of us. Pretty much anyone to the left of Chuck Shumer will be at risk. Got a passport?

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            The antidote to anxiety is action, friend. Get your passport lined up, get supplies, buy a food grade 55 gallon drum and learn how to preserve water in it for when you have none, have shelf stable foods. Be prepared to take care of yourself for as long as 21 days. You’ll be good.

            (About 18ml of unscented pure bleach will keep you barrel I’m good shape for a year at least)

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    1 day ago

    And since that’s absolute bullshit, we can expect our police and maybe even the military to step up and do the right thing, yeah? They’ll be on our side, right???

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        19 hours ago

        I’ve heard this, but it loads completely fine, with no-script and no exceptions.

        Is it just the capcha that does it?

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          19 hours ago

          No. The “service” alters pages (so not much of an archive) to include code that launches a DDoS attack against a blogger. As such it has been banned from Wikipedia.

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            14 hours ago

            Gyrovague doxed them years ago and they held a grudge.

            It’s not right, but it’s also not entirely unexpected. I try not to use them, but all the alternatives seem to be dog shit slow.

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    It’s become a meme to ask Americans at what point they will use their supposed 2nd amendment rights to start shooting at magas. And it has become similarly a bit of a meme to laugh at the ignorant non-americans for suggesting it.

    But let’s be real. When the magas are threatening to abolish your democracy, you yanks need to make a counter-threat of violence to keep it. It doesn’t even need to be “serious”. That drunk “we have guns too” lady is actually a fantastic start. But it needs to be followed up by more senior Democrats and I’m not talking about chuck schumer, just someone above “drunk candidate in Fayette county”. Someone needs to say that if the Republicans enact martial law there will be blood. Say it jokingly. Say it in wacky wink wink way. But fucking say it. Get your wackiest weirdo politician to actually put the gun on the table.

    If you don’t, then at some point it becomes a matter whether you actually care about your democracy. Like, fuck, maybe you don’t.

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      20 hours ago

      If actual political office-holders were saying this, opposing office-holders should certainly respond. No need for office-holders to respond to every looney spouting nonsense on a street corner.

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      19 hours ago

      I’m against this nazi shit, and as an avid marksman and gun collector, I have a small arsenal at my disposal

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      19 hours ago

      Just takes a few conscientious people. Foreclose on soldiers homes. Kick their kids out of school. Refuse to insure their vehicles.

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    If they truly care about voter fraud, they should override Trump and ensure external election observers are present at all polling stations and throughout the counting.

    If they truly want martial law until the election is confirmed, to ensure the election wasn’t ‘rigged’, they should invite a UN peace keeping force to administer it.

    But, somehow, I suspect their motivations aren’t based on any concern for legality, justice or democracy.

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      This is Steve Bannon calling for it. He’s a true fascist through and through. He’s also a criminal

      Of everyone in this administration, he is most likely to go to prison after Trump’s term. He deserves it, and he’s an easy target for the admin to scapegoat for everything

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      They should just skip the whole walk around the park and just give their supporters brown shirts, arm bands and some kind of blunt force weapon (with no restrictions) … and to keep them motivated in the evenings, get them to parade around with torches at night

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    This whole thing smells like a long running plot leading to a coup. A whole bunch of rich conservative men are seeking to overthrow the US constitution and take the reigns themselves via proxies. All this is supported by Russia and China and anyone else that wants a bigger share of the world for themselves.