Did this person miss the Obamacare fight?
lib answer: let’s laughably try and fix this party
It’s almost like the system is designed to prevent the working class from gaining any headway while consistently capitulating to the whims of capital.
The intrinsic failure of arbitrarily hierarchical systems. When the working class demands change, it can’t happen because [arbitrary barriers we blindly obey] while anytime the owning-class demands it, suddenly we must make compromises for the benefit of the “county’s economy”
Never forget the state and the economy are intrinsically linked. The state is a tool of the ruling class to oppress the working class. It is fundamental to the system itself.
if we were smart, we’d prosecute the centrists as accomplices. because they are.
Id prosecute the people who stood by and did nothing when the fascists raved about what they were going to do.
That includes non-voters.
the ones that keep siding with israel, or taking thier money and the ones getting money from people like koch, thiel and others.
that’s a constant in both sides of your uniparty.
americans are dumb AF
I’m not convinced they’ll regain power. The fucking president just promised to pay $5,000 per vote. He is trying to gain power over mail-in votes. He prevents interviews with democrats from airing on TV. He has friends that admit to messing with voting machines.
THIS IS NOT DEMOCRACY.
The democrats don’t have the balls to do anything even if they had all of congress and the presidency. The democrats have been shown what is permissible, and they don’t have the spine to do what is necessary.
former dem presidents haven’t broken the norms because they were afraid of setting a precedent.
I think that’s all gone now, or at least better be, because the obstruction future admins face even if they get voted for is going to be enormous.
Last time I looked AIPAC owned the Democrats as well. We can’t start putting things back together until American sovereignty is restored.
These are all basically the same thing and, yes, you can’t pass a bill in the Senate if you can’t get 60 votes
I wonder if even after Trump they will run with the “Change takes time you have to be patient” bullshit again. That is if they ever get relected.
They’ll do the “We look forward, we don’t look back” bullshit that Obama pulled post Bush.
Nobody important in the Trump administration will be prosecuted or punished in any meaningful way. Just you watch, we’ve been here before.
If you think any of those explanations aren’t valid excuses, then you don’t actually know how the government functions. Sure everything is easier when a dictator like Trump does it because he doesn’t follow the law.
Oh, you think carrying out the will of your voters is good? Well have you considered that goes against the design of a system made by slave-owning rapists to maintain their class’s power?
-ChonkyOwlBear, probably.
Your proving op’s point
Let’s get to that point and at the same time run candidates to prevent it happening again.
“Oh my God he’s bleeding out! We have to stop the bleeding”
“Yeah I’ve seen this before, he’s just going to start bleeding again. Do you want Arby’s?”
Let’s fix problems, take incremental wins where available, and not be morons about it.
It’s like people think democrats become kings when they get into office. Literally half the country is sub 100 iq, is moderately/extremely racist, and keeps voting in room temperature iq Republicans into the senate. About 1/3rd of the country voted for Trump AFTER we knew he was a felon and tried to steal the election.
Weird how the republicans never seem to let the parliamentarian or 1 vote or the SCOTUS or whatever stop them.
They have the majority in literally everything and they still have failed to pass so many bills because they are that incompetent.
The Republicans are doing the equivalent of giving themselves money in a monopoly game and saying “hey there’s no rule that says I CAN’T do that, is there?” Like when they sat on their hands rather than voting on Obama’s scotus pick for months. I don’t know what you do about that other than matching the egregious actions, and it seems dems are still trying to play inside the rules which I agree is a losing strategy.
That’s one thing I’m really aligned with the DSA on, democrats need to break the rules too or have extremely harsh punishments for it once they’re in power, so Republicans know to cut it out or they’re either out of office or in jail.
“When” lots of optimism in that word.
When apparently you can just rename everything America and after yourself at whim as President, the never-ending excuses for getting nothing done during Democratic presidential administrations will not cut it for me this time.
Anything a president can do unilaterally can be undone by the next president. There’s a reason why the Afordable Care Act hasn’t been undone at the stroke a sharpie
Lets not do anything good because Trump might undo it.
What a funny thing to hang your hat on. I can’t tell if this is supposed to be sarcastic or not.
Renaming stuff is probably the easiest thing in the world. It costs money down the road, but it’s significantly less intrusive and costly than doing almost anything else this admin has already done.
Dude it ain’t just the renaming.
I know everyone’s got the attention span of a fucking gnat, but this dude has done whatever the fuck he wants with impunity while most Democratic administrations look like they’re asking for permission to pee.
They don’t say “it’s too expensive”, they say “republicans won’t let us do it”.
But they let republicans do anything they want, including stupid petty distractions like renaming places. They are not on your side. Also they committed the majority of the genocide in Gaza. Democrats are not your friends, very few of them are decent humans.
I never said they are on our side, I just found your particular point about it silly.
Not even going to comment on the rest of your reply. You clearly live in a black and white world.
You clearly live in a world where suffering of others is negotiable as long as it benefits you, and you call that a colorful world.
What a weird way to attempt to insult me, yes genocide and imperialism are bad and their supporters are bad, there’s no room for gray in there.
We need to organize twelve million Americans under a common manifesto.
If the Democrats don’t take power in 2029 (both houses of the legislature and the executive), if they fail to move quickly, overhauling SCOTUS and ironcladding elections to stop tampering and voter suppression cold, then the US public needs to occupy Washington by multiple millions with a list of demands.
Or general strike.
Or riot in multiple municipal areas hard enough to overwhelm responders.
Or go on a billionaire assassination spree.
If we cannot do that, then we’re all going to be packed onto the cattle cars. Not necessarily all together, but the US will fall to one-party autocracy.
US Dictatorship by 2033 is on the BINGO card.
Or general strike.
This tbh. I’ve got very little faith in politicians to do something at this point. I would have been happy if 2022 Democratic senators and Biden did nothing and refused to get involved with the rail strike. Yet in another display of solidarity with corporations and billionaires they moved quickly to pass a bipartisan bill to block the rail strike. Wild.
Yeah, busting the rail strike really tipped the hand of the establishment Democratic party to show they still are captured, and the blue-dog ranks are in office not to serve the public or to make specific changes but to get rich by peddling their political power. Given they’re negotiating with MAGA more than they’re coordinating with progressives and DSA, I’m really expecting some Democratic officials will flip so they can continue exploiting their positions for personal gain.
Heather Cox Richardson notes that this sort of thing has happened before, in which business interests dominated the government and enacted policies that wrecked the economy, but got magnates very rich, but the backlash was a revival of public serving interests. In the case of Roosevelt and the New Deal, there was the threat of communist revolution, as we were also watching what was going on in the Soviet Union, and even communism had to be better than living in homeless encampments and barely surviving on flour paste.
We already have a conspicuous number of homeless encampments, and while we’re not yet living on cups of noodles, we can’t afford food and fuel at the same time, we’re skipping meds, and we’re also suffering from food poisoning while watching corruption and money getting poured into an unpopular war where our soldiers and sailors are being unnecessarily treated like shit.
Hopefully things don’t have to get much worse before the mischief begins. I suspect we’re all hoping the midterms turn out well (and we survive to the new Congress) which might save us from getting our hands dirty. But when there’s no hope at all, some of us may realize we really don’t have anything else to lose.
here’s a start:
Universal Healthcare
No Stock Trading
Term Limits
End citizens united
at most a 3 day work week
Severe punishment for oligarchs
Maximum capital of 10 million, anything after that is taxed 100%.
If the next elected officials don’t immediately start getting these things lined up they face treason charges.
I’m totally game. Someone well above my pay grade needs to organize a panel of legal and civic experts to hammer out a charter and make sure it’s got ironclad protections against corruption.
Otherwise, we’ll just be here again in a decade or two, and they’ll have the experience of this time to guide them.
For one thing, Citizens United only scratches the surface of money in politics. How Money Works did a video about just how entrenched it is. (Here on YouTube). And presently, politicians at the state and federal level expect to be able to enrich themselves by using the power of their office.
This is why it’s way beyond my pay grade. We need historians to remind us how systems failed in the past, so we assure we don’t repeat the same mistakes. We need legal scholars to check how our terms could be misinterpreted by bad-faith judges given authority, while making sure the language is plain enough that high-school students can understand what it means.
Someone well above my pay grade needs to organize a panel of legal and civic experts to hammer out a charter and make sure it’s got ironclad protections against corruption
There’s the problem, it always comes down to someone else. So long as we keep waiting for someone above our pay grade to do the work, we’ll keep waiting.
Find a group and get involved. Figure out what your pay grade is, and contribute on that level. This kind of organization doesn’t just happen, it takes people doing things. It’s why I joined the DSA. They aren’t perfect, but they’re a relatively large organization working on exactly these things.
Maybe you can help organize events or recruit those legal scholars. Maybe you can put up posters or try to recruit members. Maybe you can donate to help retain legal advice. Just do something, don’t fall into the bystander effect.
then the US public needs to occupy Washington by multiple millions with a list of demands.
I wish. But honestly, look at us. We don’t have it in us. We’re currently being abused (Constitutional violations left and right) and we haven’t dragged them into the street yet.
We’re weak. We can’t get on the same page. We can’t mobilize.
Or general strike.
You can definitely forget about that. If we aren’t occupying D.C. there’s no way a general strike is happening. Generally speaking a general strike is just not something that would happen. You aren’t going to convince a nation full of people living at the edge of poverty to stop going to work. Not happening.
I’m not trying to dissuade people from doing things, I’m just making realistic observations. And realistically we’re either voting our way out of this or waiting until everyone is starving to fight our way out of it.
Do you think people in the past did it from a Position of wealth…?
I, too, am pessimistic about our chances. But some folk who are more read up than me about it (e.g. Jamille Bouie, Helen Cox Richardson) express more optimism, citing trends and moments in history that rhyme.
Although, I am worried that our ultra-wealthy are exponentially richer than the robber barons ever have been at any other time in history. Once they’re done financializing the US into a wasteland (of quarries, oilfields and data centers), they’re going to move onto the rest of the developed world, and they are rich enough to buy all the elections and control all the governments.
So if we can make our stand here, and recognize our billionaire class as the existential threat that they actually are, (and as Paul Krugman suggests, tax them out of existence) we’ll be sparing the entirety of human civilization a lot of devastation.
