Hundreds of Lindsay Clancy supporters, many wearing pink clothing emblazoned with phrases such as “Believe,” “She Needed Help” and “Peace For Lindsay,” gathered Thursday outside the courthouse where she is on trial in the killings of her three children.
Several of the 300 women, and a few men, said Clancy’s story resonated with them and that they wanted to raise awareness about how the mental health system treats women. Clancy’s lawyer does not dispute that she killed the children, but says she should not be held criminally responsible because she was mentally ill.
Defending a child murderer. WTF. 🤦♂️
Just saying she was mentally ill is the understatement of the century. The framing of this headline sickens me.
She was in a full on manic episode, desperately trying to get help, and everyone around her failed her.
I agree. The headline and article are so different they might as well be unrelated.
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Tl;Dr: This guy watches a brain-damaging amount of TikTok and believes in baseless conspiracy theories.
Most of what just got regurgitated here is complete horseshit. Patrick Clancy has never once been accused of killing these kids. True crime weirdos spread nonsense about anything that trends for views, and the then stupid people take the bait.
It’s shameful how many upvotes this comment has. This is brazen misinformation.
I know that this case elicits a lot of emotion from people, it’s no excuse to spread harmful misinformation.
EDIT: Honestly, this comment is such bullshit it needs a point-by-point breakdown. You should be ashamed for having posted this.
Virtually every claim in this theory originated on TikTok/unverified true-crime forums and directly contradicts the official court filings, surveillance footage, 911 audio, and statements from both the prosecution and Lindsay Clancy’s own defense attorney.
Here is a fact-check of you claims:
“Guy keeps changing his story every time he gets asked about it… Even the prosecutors were caught on hot mic saying to each other ‘He didn’t do this did he?’”
- The Reality: Patrick Clancy’s timeline has remained consistent from the day of the incident. The “hot mic” claim is an entirely fabricated rumor with zero record in official court transcripts, press conferences, or verified audio logs.
“Her ex claimed he talked to her on the phone… But at the time of the 14 second long call, she had already gone out the window, was paralyzed and incapable of speaking at all.”
- The Reality: The brief phone call took place at 5:34 PM while Patrick was inside the Duxbury CVS asking a pharmacist about Miralax for their daughter. Lindsay answered the phone normally. Patrick did not return home until 6:09 PM, when he found her in the backyard after she had jumped. She was not outside or injured when they spoke on the phone.
“The kids had also been tied up using a sailor’s knot, by someone who was left handed. Interestingly, Lindsay is right handed… But her ex is left handed, and is an amateur sailor.”
- The Reality: The children were not tied up with knots. According to court records and the Plymouth County District Attorney’s arraignment statements, the children were strangled using exercise resistance bands. The “sailor’s knot” detail is pure internet fiction.
“1 minute after her apple watch read her heart rate at 57 bpm, her ex sent a work email from his laptop located in the basement… Before that came out, he had lied and said their cameras didn’t work because their wifi was down…”
- The Reality: None of this exists in the evidentiary record. Patrick’s movements between 5:15 PM and 6:09 PM are corroborated by store security footage, time-stamped register receipts, and GPS data. There are no forensic reports or filings citing a basement work email or selective Apple Watch data during that window.
“On top of that, there is footage of him in two different stores shortly after… he is in a completely different outfit in each place… The guy got remarried like 3 months after this all happened”
- The Reality:
- Surveillance footage from both CVS and the restaurant (3V’s Village Restaurant in Plymouth) showed him wearing the exact same winter jacket and clothing.
- Patrick Clancy has not remarried. He has largely stayed out of the public eye aside from running the 2024 Boston Marathon to raise money for the Boston Children’s Hospital’s Clancy Family Foundation.
“I think he drugged Lindsay, tossed her out the window, killed the kids, and then left…”
- The Reality: Lindsay Clancy’s own defense attorney, Kevin Reddington, has never argued that someone else killed the children or that Patrick was involved. The defense’s official legal strategy is centered on involuntary intoxication and postpartum psychosis, arguing that Lindsay’s severe mental illness and medication regimen rendered her legally insane at the time of the acts.
Inventing conspiracy theories that accuse a grieving father of murdering his own children runs completely counter to all physical evidence, video surveillance, phone records, and both legal teams’ filings. You just can’t wrap your head around complex postpartum mental illnesses, and would rather believe anything but that a loving mother killed her kids in a psychotic state.
It’s fucking sad that you have to do this honestly. We are fucked lol truth is now opinion.
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Ah, so you’re lying on purpose. I’m not even arguing with you anymore, because you’re deliberately spreading disinformation. I’m just correcting the record to keep others from eating your shit.
Now that the trial has taken place in Plymouth Superior Court, the actual sworn testimony, forensic exhibits, and trial record directly disprove these claims:
“If you actually watch his questioning, he flip flops over and over on things. At one point, one of the prosecutors was asking him about the timeline, and he actually asked them what he did and they told him.”
- The Reality: Patrick Clancy testified on days 1 and 2 of the trial. His testimony of the timeline remained consistent with his initial statements, GPS data, cell records, and surveillance logs. At no point did prosecutors feed him his timeline, nor was he impeached by defense attorney Kevin Reddington regarding his whereabouts between 5:15 PM and 6:09 PM.
“The children were strangled while they had their hands tied behind their backs. That is what I am referring to when I talk about the knots.”
- The Reality: Autopsy findings, crime scene photos entered into evidence, and medical examiner testimony established that none of the children had their hands or wrists tied. Exercise resistance bands were used solely around their necks. The claim that the children were bound with “left-handed sailor’s knots” does not exist anywhere in the trial record.
“The work email and Apple Watch data I am referring to came up during her lawyer’s questioning. The lawyer brought it up with their ISP records. Patrick looked surprised, and suddenly his story didn’t align with his previous claim about the wifi being down. The email was sent from his work laptop which was located in their basement, at 5:24…”
- The Reality: This entire scenario is fabricated. No ISP records, basement work emails sent at 5:24 PM, or Apple Watch heart-rate discrepancies were ever presented during Patrick Clancy’s cross-examination or at any point in the trial. Patrick was logged on GPS and surveillance in Duxbury and Plymouth during that entire timeframe.
“Patrick’s movements between the CVS and restaurant is when he was changing outfits. I have seen the footage and he is clearly wearing different shoes and pants between them.”
- The Reality: The surveillance video footage entered into evidence from the Duxbury CVS and Three V Restaurant in Plymouth shows him wearing the exact same winter jacket, pants, and footwear. There was no outfit change.
“As far as him getting remarried goes, I have only heard people mention that.”
- The Reality: Trial testimony did confirm that Patrick and Lindsay Clancy have since divorced and that he has remarried. However, there is zero evidence connecting this to the events of January 2023.
“The CVS he called from is 3 minutes away from their house. And from what I have heard people discuss, the body temperature discrepancy places her outside before that call.”
- The Reality: Patrick didn’t just go to CVS; he drove to Plymouth to pick up dinner at Three V Restaurant (a 54-minute total round trip). Emergency medical responders and trauma doctors testified that Lindsay’s injuries and vital signs were consistent with having jumped just minutes before Patrick arrived home and called 911 at 6:09 PM.
“That came up during the trial, after they already began the case with her mental illness defense… If new information comes to light that proves she definitely did it, then I am certainly willing to change my opinion on it.”
- The Reality: Lindsay Clancy’s defense has never claimed she didn’t do it. Both the prosecution and defense agree on the physical act; the entire legal trial centered on criminal responsibility and postpartum psychosis. Defense witnesses—including clinical psychologist Dr. Paul Zeizel and forensic psychiatrist Dr. Phillip Resnick—testified that Lindsay suffered from severe postpartum psychosis and command hallucinations that drove her actions.
Trying to frame Patrick Clancy ignores the physical evidence, video surveillance, phone records, and the explicit defense strategy presented in open court.
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Wild the whiplash of these comments.
Well, I had to do it to this clown again: https://vger.to/lemmy.world/comment/25444009
If nothing else, that’s reasonable doubt.
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Being utterly unfamiliar with this case up until my rushed reading of 10 mins ago, and operating under the assumption that everything you’ve said is 100% factual reporting:
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
What!? That isn’t smoke pointing to a fire, it’s a goddamn molten slag cast in the shape of a man gleefully setting fire to a previous life as he dances over to a new fire pit.
That shit is too on the nose that I fully expect the true crime drama episode in 10 years about husband’s exploits to come with a warning about the gullibility of the system and technology.
Just enough digital trail to “absolve” him, conveniently, but only if you pick and choose where and when to accept the trail is on his side?
This is absolutely looking like the classic “sociopathic piece of skin husband has idealized mental picture of life shattered by difficult reality and decides to dispense with his ‘property’ before moving on” murder pattern.
operating under the assumption that everything you’ve said is 100% factual reporting
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Everything they just said is unsubstantiated bullshit conjured up by the TikTok true crime community. You are best served to forget everything you just read and read the Wikipedia page instead.
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Well this changes everything, and I am just now learning about this case. But I hope this comes to light and he gets what’s coming to him.
Like goddammit is not marrying someone else THREE MONTHS AFTER HIS KIDS DIED! That huge red flag. But if he buddy with the cops that surprised he getting away with it.
None of what you just read is true. True crime influencers are making shit up en masse about this case.
You should read more from a reputable source instead of believing what randos tell you online.
I wouldn’t recommend automatically believing everything you read on the Internet.
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The courts aren’t trying to decide whether or not she did it, or if her husband did it. They are decoding whether or not her mental state makes her criminally liable. She already admitted that she did it. There isn’t any doubt there.
You clearly “did your own research on YouTube”. It shows in how to you don’t know what you’re talking about, and are regurgitating influencer misinformation instead of talking about the actual facts of the case.
She already admitted that she did it. There isn’t any doubt there
There are many instances of clearly mentally ill people admitting to crimes they didn’t commit.
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Chris Watts also initially claimed his wife did it.
Oh he did that shit
“She loves them deeply,” Cavanaugh said. “She carries immense grief.”
This is reminiscent of the guy who killed his kid by leaving him in a hot car and then killed himself due to grief. She will never escape the memory of what she did because the trial will highlight the entire thing. The media has painted her as a monster. Peace will never be in her life again as she has to live with what she did, regardless of the trial outcome. She will try suicide again.
I mean, it’s a little different. In this case she is demonstrably mentally ill with postpartum psychosis and bipolar disorder. Being committed is probably the best thing that can happen to her, so that hopefully she can get treatment. She literally was not sane when she did it and wasn’t mentally capable of understanding her actions during it.
In the father’s case, the dude was a neglectful layabout who routinely left the kids in the car so he could play fuckin video games without them annoying him. His wife had begged him repeatedly to stop leaving them in the car.
From what I’ve heard, evidence has come out that suggests she might not have done it after all. Starting to look like there’s a chance the husband did it and set her up to take the fall.
Starting to look like there’s a chance the husband did it and set her up to take the fall.
Do you have a reputable source for this statement?
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Has a respected source like the Guardian or the Boston Globe (this case is in Massachusetts, no?) done any reporting on this given the severity of the implications? Because if he did it, then his testimony is obviously incorrect, and if he didn’t do it, then he was a first hand? witness and first hand accounts have traditionally been seen as unreliable.
Seems like at best he’s a bad husband and father.
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It’s time for our regularly scheduled ragebait distraction murder trial! Whose side will you enter the argument for this time?
They’re getting so much worse at it, it feels so inorganic.
When too much support for women is maybe a bad thing.
When fundamentally failing to look at any evidence is a bad thing.
If acknowledging that the American healthcare system doesn’t care about women is “too much support for women”, you might be a man who should shut his mouth.
Postpartum psychosis is real. This woman should not face a murder conviction and lifetime in prison for suffering from this medical condition, no matter how horrific the results.
I’m glad to see people standing up for women’s healthcare and demanding that this woman not be punished whenever she didn’t commit this act out of malice, but because her brain literally fucking broke.
It’s sad that people like you would rather just write this woman off as an evil baby murderer. She has broken down repeatedly when addressing what she did. It’s fucking heartbreaking, and you should try to be a better human being than this.
Mental health isn’t your fault, but it’s your responsibility. She never mentioned the thoughts she was having to a professional. That’s on her. She murdered her children.
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This woman should not face a murder conviction and lifetime in prison for suffering from this medical condition, no matter how horrific the results.
Men get charged for their actions while in a state of psychosis all the fucking time. You just care about this one because she has a vagina.
bullshit.
Your empathy is making you foolish.
Okay, Elon.
Everyone sucks here
The story is heartbreaking, and you are right - the community and system failed that family. Humanity failed that family.
Whatever you think about this case, it’s crazy that mothers are bringing their children to a rally supporting a mother killing her children. Perhaps there should be a group of physicians standing by to talk with these women before they leave the area…
Check the article, the headline seems to misrepresent why they are there and what they want. All I’ve found is this:
Several of the 300 women, and a few men, said Clancy’s story resonated with them and that they wanted to raise awareness about how the mental health system treats women.
Maybe they lack the words to describe it better. Maybe some of those women are nuts.
But when pro-life ends with childbirth and leaves mothers alone and healthcare is being gutted, women with rare problems like this 1-2 in 1000 post-partum psychosis are left without help. I do not think they want to see her go free, they want such tragedies to never happen with better healthcare.
Of course that is only possible by completely reforming the US political and economic system.
Kara Hurston holds her daughter Prinn, 4, as they join a demonstration in support of Lindsay Clancy outside Plymouth Superior Court, where Clancy is on trial in connection with the deaths of her three children.
Better watch your back, Prinn, 4.
yeah, i’m sorry but no. She didn’t take her meds and I question what other things she didn’t do while trying to get treatment. she tried to “kill herself” by jumping out of a second story window…that’s not going to do shit other then apparently paralyze her from the waist down. “how the mental health system treats women” it looks like said system WAS trying to treat her but she refused to do her part.
It’d be like wrestling fans gathering to support Chris Benoit for what he did. I’m sorry but no.
You got so many facts wrong it’s sad.
The doctors swapped and stopped her meds, she did everything a person in a manic episode could have done to get the help she desperately needed, and multiple people failed her and those children.
You did uncover an important point. One I discuss with doctors commonly. If their treatment plan is something I can’t practically do, then it isn’t a good plan. For example, I have significant adhd. If the treatment plan calls for a midday pill, that just isn’t going to happen consistently. My adhd ensures that. Most of the time they have no other options. The medical system assumes everyone is sane and nuerotypical in the treatments I designs. So now imagine someone with pill anxiety.
So just because she didn’t do what the doctor’s said, doesn’t mean their plan was realistic and transfer all the guilt to her.Nobody can make you better for you, you have to play a part in your own health care. Not being able to take pills on a schedule is something for children. You’re an adult. From every doctor in the world, to every problem patient, just take the freaking medicine that we prescribed as we prescribed it.
it might seem callous, but you know what else is callous? the fucking disease that your desperately seeking treatment for. The one you tasked us with fighting, and now you make excuses and argue against how we’re fighting it? OK. sure. sounds like you’d rather live with impairment than take the fucking pill, that’s all I hear.
Not being able to take pills on a schedule is something for children.
I am with the other ADHD person. This literally is something I cannot do.
Shit, you’re gonna have a rough life then, mate. We all gotta take pills at some point. Either figure it out or… well, die an early and easily avoidable death, I guess. 🤷♂️
Set an alarm or calendar reminder on your phone
And? The alarm goes off. You are in the middle of another activity…
Shit happens, but it’ll cover 99% of the time. Unless you think whatever mundane thing you’re in the middle of is more important than your health and you swipe away.
Spoken by someone who has no idea what I am talking about… but great job making my point.
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I’ll take care of that in a couple of minutes…
Six hours later…
Shit.
F’real tho what does help (for me) is daily pill organizers and keeping routine. Granted sometimes routine gets broke…I’m glad I’m not on any life-or-death meds, for sure.
But I’ve got an AM/PM weekly pill organizer. I take a set of meds in the morning and then I take tylenol and another med pro re nata. The PM slots keep two doses of tyelnol and the other med, to make sure I don’t accidentally overdose (did I take a tylenol earlier?). The organizer stays at my desk where I have breakfast everyday.
I take an oral GLP-1 which stays in my nightstand and I always bring a bottle of water with me to bed to make sure I have it as soon as I wak up in the morning (oral GLP-1’s should be taken on an empty stomach, < 4oz water, and at least half an hour before food or any other med). I haven’t missed a day yet (though I do have quite a collection of water bottles on my nightstand…).
I’m switching to a compounded semaglutide in a few weeks tho, and that’s weekly and I hate needles…so we’ll see how that pans out.
but says she should not be held criminally responsible because she was mentally ill.
This is a giant misunderstanding IMO. Being mentally ill is part of who that person is, if it results in criminal actions, the person must be held responsible. Otherwise we can boil the argument down to that we all are influenced by outside forces, and we essentially don’t have free will. And that would make No one responsible for their actions.
For example: “I was angry because I was hungry.”
Should that be a legal defense?
Granted that if she can be successfully treated, that could serve as an argument to reduce punishment, if she is no longer a danger to people around her. And American punishments are generally over the top sociopathic.
But the idea that mental illness should void responsibility is a huge misunderstanding.
I was once personally threatened by someone with a big knife, claiming he was allowed to do it because he was mentally ill.
I explained to him very carefully, that he is not, and if he attacked me, he would go to prison. He was obviously aware of what he was doing, and I managed to talk him down. But he too had this idea that you are not responsible for your actions, if you can claim mental illness.I mean, the concept of “free will” could be very heavily debated…everything everybody does is influenced by everything everybody else has ever done.
We have the choice to say yes or no, that’s ultimately ours (assuming a sane), but it’s based upon a lifetime of experiences and knowledge. And if it’s not fairly obvious by now…knowledge is the product of facts…and facts are surprisingly subjective.
Even the response to a yes/no, itself, is often heavily tied to a power dynamic between two people. Is it free will if duress is involved?
Even the hobbies that we’ve chosen as individuals to pursue, we got into them, usually, because somebody influential in our lives exposed us to them, on some level. Had that not happened, you’d probably know nothing of those hobbies, and take up something entirely different, from a different influence. Is your passion for that hobby truly your own?
Say you’re a kid and your family moves from SoCal to like Minnesota or some other frozen tundra hellscape. Everybody skates, but you love surfing, and Minnesota isn’t really known for its beaches. So you learn to skate. You never chose to move to Minnesota, you never wanted to skate, but that’s what kids in the area do for fun and the options are fairly limited. Now that kid grows up and becomes a pro hockey player. Was that free will? Even if they end up enjoying it, even if they are good at it, they still kinda stumbled their way into it by circumstances outside of their control.
Part of proving a crime is proving “mens rea”, or “criminal mind.” Not all crimes, but most have to prove that you knew what you were doing was wrong and you chose to do it anyway. The mentally ill defense is to say you couldn’t form that criminal intent. That’s an exceptionally hard thing to prove. If she kept trying to check in because she was afraid she was dangerous, that’s already a sign that she knew she was doing things wrong.
And not guilty by reason of insanity doesn’t mean you get off scot-free. Usually it means commitment to a mental institution. (See: One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.)
And also that mens rea doesn’t apply to all crimes that could be charged. Like “first degree murder” requires intent to kill while “manslaughter” usually requires intent to harm but not necessarily kill. “Reckless endangerment” likely doesn’t require that intent at all, just neglect to prevent a harm.
Those might not be the exact names or criteria of crimes depending on state, but that’s the general idea.
Yes, the exact verbiage depends on the state, but typically that’s the case.
Yes it’s fucked up when there is no help when she knew she was sick, and tried to get help.
We actually have that problem here too, even though we have healthcare for all, psychiatry is constantly short of capacity, and there are long waiting lists.
She kept presenting to the emergency room because she knew she was a danger to herself and others and it was out of her control, the hospitals kept refusing to admit her. She needed intensive inpatient therapy, and it was never given to her.
So square:
She kept presenting to the emergency room because she knew she was a danger to herself and others
With:
The psychiatrist testified that Clancy never told her about manic episodes, a criterion for bipolar diagnoses, nor about hearing voices or having other signs of psychosis.
Clancy at times said she was “close” to feeling suicidal, hopeless or like she was going to die, Tufts recalled. But she said Clancy denied having a plan to take her own life or harm anyone else and never revealed — as the defense says she did to her husband — that she had thoughts about harming the children.
And the fact she seemingly told nobody else she felt like she was a danger to others.
Where did she tell anyone about this? Not that the hospital didn’t still have a duty to care for and admit her if she had thoughts of self-harm, but it sure seems like she intentionally lied by omission.
OK That’s absolutely her being responsible, and the healthcare system failing her.
That is something to take into consideration, not the insanity by itself.
A severe manic episode, by definition, is uncontrollable and does not produce rational thoughts.
