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Screenshot of Octopi Package Manager installed on CachyOS (previously the default before being replaced by Shelly). OP has searched for microsoft-edge. No results are returned.
OP has drawn a circle around a button in the image of an alien head with an arrow pointing to it. Under the arrow is “???”.
Caption at the bottom of the image reads: “Microsoft edge and google chrome don’t show up in neither of cachyos’ software stores out of the box. On octopi you can make it show up by pressing the weird alien head icon. “Mysteriously” firefox shows up on both stores immediately without clicking any obscure buttons. This is either extremely terrible i design or a deliberate sabotage attempt against microsoft and google from loonix devs, possibly sponsored by mozilla.”
Context:
OP is an idiot because these browsers would not be available due to restrictions required by Microsoft and Google to share their software, which is why nothing shows up when searching the installed repositories. Note that Chromium, the base for Edge and Chrome is available on the default repository.
The alien head icon searches the AUR (Arch User Repository) a place for users to add packages, often mirrored from GitHub, which would show Edge and Chrome as a user has ported it over unofficially. Because the AUR consists of unofficial packages, it is not part of the default repositories, and requires additional confirmation before installation.
Note that when installing from the AUR, it is always important to read what you are compiling as packages are not checked for malicious code. See recent news regarding compromised packages that weren’t maintained.
Bro. Taking this sub seriously can rot your brain. I mean, they are serious about their claims. It’s just that they are being paid by microslop to be stupid or because they are stupid.
What I find surprising is that they managed to install a linux and in that process didn’t pick up the slightest hint of what linux is about. I mean did they just download any iso willy nilly and slap it on there, no questions whatsoever asked?
Dude installs Linux, 1st reflex is to try to install Edge. Dude is completely lost and should get a mac if he’s tired of Windows, so it decides everything for him.
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There’s a nugget of truth here.
Linux distros require some understanding of underlying subsystems.
Windows… in theory, does not. From AverageUser9000’s perspective, they can hit the Windows key, type “Google Chrome,” and install it, while on linux it’s not immediately obvious why it doesn’t. You’d have to look up documentation on linux repos, 3rd party repos, containerized stores, and… now you’ve just lost the interest of 99% of the population.
I’m not saying AverageUser9000 isn’t a moron, but I kind of sympathize too. We are effectively linux experts, and:
I agree, however when I hear this kind of sentiment, I think about how hard big tech has been fighting to make people computer illiterate and how we need to fight harder than ever to get people to understand the machines they use even just a tiny bit more.
I’ve been contemplating… trying to start some kind of “PC Computing Club” or something. With the goal being to outreach and educate people toward computer literacy.
It would have to be something that’s “cool” to be a part of, because nobody actually seems to show up to “computer classes” even though they all clamor for them. Especially old people. They think they want to “learn computers” and then just drop out if they show up at all.
There’s gotta be a way around that. 90’s computer users were passionate and would be staging riots at what’s been done to the Internet, privacy laws, and on and on…
This “deliteracy” campaign is entirely intentional. They want to create an idiot cow-sumer class, which only exists to labor and pay subscriptions, without understanding anything.
Back in my day, you had to search the internet for a Google Chrome installer file, and usually you wouldn’t even download it from a Google site but some computer magazine’s website.
Oh I definitely don’t disagree with you. There’s a learning curve to be had. Part of that is just the UX of Linux (and the differing UIs), but I think the other part is straight up education.
Apple early on adopted the strategy of giving computers to schools to get kids used to using their products, but at some point that shifted over to Microsoft as Office was the business standard. Many kids grew up knowing how to use Microsoft products and got used to using them. Shifting to a different unfamiliar platform is harder once you’re comfortable with something.
Of course then Google stepped in and started pushing cheap Chromebooks to schools and moving people off physical software and storage to cloud products. Now that is trending towards iPads with just apps continuing the online only software options.
So now you’ve got a generation of kids who don’t even know how to operate a PC let alone do something as basic as open a file.
It all comes down to education. If schools adopted Linux and introduced it to kids at an early age, I’m sure they’d be proficient with it.
any distro that enables flatpak out of the box will let you install both of these browsers. fedora is one like that. if you are using a KDE based desktop, typing their name in the app launcher will offer to install them (after the flatpak database was downloaded once, that should happen some time after first boot)
when using a user friendly distro, this does not require much understanding I think. bot of course, without any understanding, there will be issues. like if someone doesn’t know the computer is supposed to be shut down before cutting power to it.
You’re right but I think that’s a good thing
I don’t think we really want Linux to be used my everybody. This higher barrier filters out some dummies which which will be only trouble and no benefit to the community. It’s called tactical friction or something like this.
what do you think they should use? something that is requiring online registration, and is uploading their pictures and documents to its creator, against the user’s best interest?
We cannot let Microsoft have a monopoly… on sabotaging Microsoft.
possibly sponsored by mozilla
This is funny as shit
Guess we’re already at the point where people make up wild conspiracy theories just to criticize Firefox.
Always have been 🔫
The kind of bullshit I’ve seen here on Lemmy alone.
Because it’s a circlejerk sub. It’s meant to be funny
Some of those loonies absolutely believe what they preach. Even if it means disregarding objective reality and engaging in fallacies like they’re a safety blanket. They’re the flat Earthers of the Unix-like world, and some of them much worse.
You’re proving them right.
For a chronic contrarian, I’m sure it looks like that.
Calling someone a contrarian just because they disagree with you?
Lad that’s not healthy
How much did mozilla pay you to say that?
It’s not, check it out…
Another example of how FOSS contains dark patterns and uses anti-competitive practices against big tech. Typical. /s
You’ll notice another blatant act of sabotage: LibreOffice is easy to find but Word is nowhere to be found.
Did you know ?
OpenOffice is a firewall product !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F011hLZHZrM
For context it is a french lawmakers casually explaining that OpenOffice has a firewall… And other random bullshit.
Well I mean fire bad…
Money gooood
LINE GO UP!
Would be based if it was true. Fuck Microsoft and make Google watch.
Average windows user brain
I actually find it kind of funny that MSFT does have an official linux release for Edge but not for Office.
It would seem like they want it to be a Windows only feature as a way to keep people on Windows, but they have a Mac release of it eith the full feature set lol.
That’s for practical reasons.
Edge is Google Chrome underneath. So a linux release isn’t much more dev effort on Microsoft’s part.
But they develop Office, and obviously linux was never a commercial target for it.
There’s also the secondary reason which is they barely give a shit about the local office apps and want you to use 365 and the in browser versions.
I’m surprised they even offer the office suite local at all anymore.
Well, they want your browsing data for one so that would make sense, but for Office they don’t want businesses hoping to Linux to get away from Windows if the business suite was available there. Since Office is the “industry standard” they just hold it hostage. If Libre Office adoption ever takes off, I’m sure Microsoft will port it over to recoup lost revenue, but that will only happen if they get desperate.
As for Mac, they may have just broken Office for Mac for a lot of users.
What mental gymnastics does one have to do to come to that conclusion?
Going to the Microsoft gym for all their life
Believing a circlejerk sub is insane isn’t it.
Until you find out it’s not one.
I mean I’d assume anyone calling it “loonix” is circlejerking
oh dear lord
what was his defense when presented with the concept of a software license
I’m too scared to look
Reminds me of a post I saw on here the other day.
Of course there’s always that “lol I’m just joking” until the joke becomes the new reality, but this ain’t it
I’m looking at the top posts this week.
It’s a circlejerk sub.
Aliens’ heads are smooth and grey, just like OP’s brain.
When you believe lies, the truth seems suspicious
