It is scientifically accurate to say that someone with self defense equipment is more likely to save themselves during a criminal altercation than someone without self defense equipment. If that wasn’t true, there would be no reason for ladies to carry pepper spray when they go out at night.
I don’t deny science, but using overall gun death statistics is misleading. If a victim has to shoot someone in a self defense situation, it still generates one gun injury that could apply to those statistics.
You can look up hundreds of security cam recordings on YouTube of people who successfully defended themselves. Those people would have been in a worse position if they had not been prepared.
All egomaniacs believe, a “gun” will save “THEM” but the statistics are VERY clear, you’re more likely to kill some else accidentally/on purpose, kill yourself, or get the weapon taken away from you and used on you then ever use it successfully in self defense.
Guns are popular for self defense do to clever marketing, lack of common sense, and steering of american culture.
.09% chance to use a gun in self defense. In a study NOT done directly by gun lobby. (those studies show fun facts like twice the number of people claiming they shot someone in self-defense as total gun shots in ERs)
As I understand it, that statistic does not address whether or not having a gun in a self defense situation increases your odds of survival. It says that .09% of people with a gun ever use it in self defense.
That is the equivalent to saying that the vast majority of people who own a fire-extinguisher never put out a fire. I don’t want to have to put out a fire, but I own an extinguisher, just like I hope to never be in an armed altercation, but I own a firearm. I’d wager that most people who own any kind of self defense equipment may never need to use them.
It says that over 50% of altercations involving a gun are ended when the gun is presented and not fired. A gun is presented in an altercation over 1 million times per year in the US, so that makes a minimum of 500,000 altercations that were concluded due to the appearance of a gun. Similar numbers have been presented in every safety class I’ve taken along with accompanying videos of that happening.
For what it’s worth, a gun is only one part of the gear I carry. I like to be prepared. I also carry a first aid kit, flashlight, leatherman, knife, compass, mirror, and other useful items on my body nearly at all times. I live inside of hundreds of miles of wilderness—it isn’t just humans I am preparing for the possibility of encountering.
Do you dispute that they are quoting FBI data? I’m not trying to be deceptive, I was looking for an overview that reflects the facts that have been presented in every safety class I’ve taken. I found similar numbers in other articles, that one just had the best formatting for presenting the same information.
Also, do you see what I mean when I say that your statistic of .09% is not accurately reflecting if a gun is an effective self defense method?
I dispute everything from propaganda sites, it’s not worth my time to track down their BS and figure out whether they out right lied, took a quote out of context, intentionally misrepresented it, twisted its intended meaning, or cherry picked a single fact out of a hundred that seems to support their claim.
Nah, if you want to believe that to support your misguided belief that’s on you.
It is scientifically accurate to say that someone with self defense equipment is more likely to save themselves during a criminal altercation than someone without self defense equipment. If that wasn’t true, there would be no reason for ladies to carry pepper spray when they go out at night.
I don’t deny science, but using overall gun death statistics is misleading. If a victim has to shoot someone in a self defense situation, it still generates one gun injury that could apply to those statistics.
You can look up hundreds of security cam recordings on YouTube of people who successfully defended themselves. Those people would have been in a worse position if they had not been prepared.
All egomaniacs believe, a “gun” will save “THEM” but the statistics are VERY clear, you’re more likely to kill some else accidentally/on purpose, kill yourself, or get the weapon taken away from you and used on you then ever use it successfully in self defense.
Guns are popular for self defense do to clever marketing, lack of common sense, and steering of american culture.
Got a link to support this data?
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense
.09% chance to use a gun in self defense. In a study NOT done directly by gun lobby. (those studies show fun facts like twice the number of people claiming they shot someone in self-defense as total gun shots in ERs)
Thank you for providing a link.
As I understand it, that statistic does not address whether or not having a gun in a self defense situation increases your odds of survival. It says that .09% of people with a gun ever use it in self defense.
That is the equivalent to saying that the vast majority of people who own a fire-extinguisher never put out a fire. I don’t want to have to put out a fire, but I own an extinguisher, just like I hope to never be in an armed altercation, but I own a firearm. I’d wager that most people who own any kind of self defense equipment may never need to use them.
You may not like this source, but they are citing FBI statistics that are genuine to my knowledge: https://www.shootingclasses.com/blog/posts/what-the-fbi-data-really-says-about-self-defense-shootings-and-why-most-cpl-classes-miss-the-mark/
It says that over 50% of altercations involving a gun are ended when the gun is presented and not fired. A gun is presented in an altercation over 1 million times per year in the US, so that makes a minimum of 500,000 altercations that were concluded due to the appearance of a gun. Similar numbers have been presented in every safety class I’ve taken along with accompanying videos of that happening.
For what it’s worth, a gun is only one part of the gear I carry. I like to be prepared. I also carry a first aid kit, flashlight, leatherman, knife, compass, mirror, and other useful items on my body nearly at all times. I live inside of hundreds of miles of wilderness—it isn’t just humans I am preparing for the possibility of encountering.
Of course I’m not going to give any weight to an obvious propaganda site… ROFL
I mean did you even look at the “supported organizations” it reads like a who’s who of extreme gun nuts.
Do you dispute that they are quoting FBI data? I’m not trying to be deceptive, I was looking for an overview that reflects the facts that have been presented in every safety class I’ve taken. I found similar numbers in other articles, that one just had the best formatting for presenting the same information.
Also, do you see what I mean when I say that your statistic of .09% is not accurately reflecting if a gun is an effective self defense method?
I dispute everything from propaganda sites, it’s not worth my time to track down their BS and figure out whether they out right lied, took a quote out of context, intentionally misrepresented it, twisted its intended meaning, or cherry picked a single fact out of a hundred that seems to support their claim.
Nah, if you want to believe that to support your misguided belief that’s on you.
I’ll dive for the direct FBI data when I have time after work today and put it here when I find it.
I am willing to have my mind changed if compelling information is presented. Did you have anything to say about your own misleading .09% statistic?