- it is in existence for many decades, multiple generations
- culture as a whole is integrated with the military via conscription, then many related employment opportunities later in life
- military not some sort of symbolic peacetime standby thing, but a way where majority of citizens are indoctrinated and jumped in as children or very young adults.
- israel has enjoyed almost a century of careful special treatment despite their crimes and atrocities being widely known since day dot
- immense internal/external propaganda force
- fake it til you make it – the fascist method of reality. rather than discovering truth, as with science, you create it. israel being a prime example.
Can’t agree or disagree until you provide your definition of fascism.
I was taught that fascist states have an authoritarian rule under a dictator, along with control of industry/business.
While there are many countries which lean towards fascism in some manner or another, they are might be classified as authoritarian, but not necessarily full-blown fascist. Taking your points above, Switzerland ticks many of the boxes. Mandatory military service, special treatment (collaboration with Nazis without significant consequence), etc.
A country full of war-mongering assholes doesn’t necessarily equate to fascism. (But I do recognize that Israel is in reality a lot closer to fascism than Switzerland ever was!)
Well I don’t think fascism is the same as a dictatorship or authoritarianism. Like there have been many monarchies over history and geography, but they can’t all be collapsed into fascism. And also there is the question of whether the USSR was just as bad as nazi germany?
Wrt swiss military, it is irrelevant as I specified the kind of activities which entail a plurality of the citizenry participating in the brutality and subjugation of another people. What people are the swiss attempting to eradicate? What people have generations of swiss dedicated themselves to replacing? It isn’t the structure of the military, it is the mandatory lived experience and indoctrination in the processes of ongoing genocide. As an individual, you are forced to reconcile your intrinsic morals and solidarity with your own actions, which due to the advanced form of indoctrination present in israel, leads rarely to rejection of the state project. Most people are able to use the tools provided to them to bend their morality, and accept the state’s motivations fully as their own.
If thats your description of a Fascist society then actually the number 1 is the United States of Amerikkka, 1 its self explanatory, for 2 just look at the history of the USA and their veneration for settlers fighting the native people and manifest destiny they basically adopted conquest and pillage as american culture, 3 pretty much US civil religion view of their armed forces, 4 is manifest destiny again, 5 i think pretty much every society does that, 6 there was no USA 3 centuries ago its as made up as you can get
I think in USA all this is present. But also it is a much larger territory and population so not as homogenous. Israel is small and therefore these qualities are able to be more concentrated. Like a country being highly specialized in textile industry. Sure there are textiles being traded (and to at least some extent, manufactured) everywhere on earth but for various reasons there are locations where things are clumped up more. And just as you can find places where the average involvement and dependence on textiles is more than others (Bangladesh, Pakistan), I think the same is the case if you consider fascism and israel. But in both cases, the US is heavily involved in benefiting and controlling.
USA! USA! USA!
mandatory service isn’t a thing because there’s a steady stream of impoverished youth to exploit, but it’s early history was the most extreme genocide anywhere alongside chattel slavery
There was a thread on here the other day about how armed services recruits were primarily from the middle class and low income is underrepresented. They posted a ton of data to back it up. I admit I did not really look at it closely to verify. If I can find it again I will link to it, if you were curious about it that is.
yes please I didn’t see that. are you talking US or Israel? In either case I think it is quite plausible for different reasons.
I think mandatory military service is important because by the time you are 25 years old you have already either directly participated in, or knowingly collaborated in, some awful heinous crimes. furthermore, you know everyone you ever loved is also guilty. like all those snipers who spend their days kneecapping kids, those people are all integrated in society, they are loved by families who know what they do.
in USA those experiences are not as equally distributed.
I contend that israel is more homogeneously fascist, like psychologically fascist, beating the present-day US for this reason. possibly past US could make an argument although I wonder if that kind of fascist mind-state is really possible prior to mass media?
like all those snipers who spend their days kneecapping kids, those people are all integrated in society, they are loved by families who know what they do.
you know, i never thought about it like that. that is fucking insane.
