Jordan Lund is NOT a good human being.

Right, the Gaza Genocide isn’t US Politics… Those aren’t US made bombs being dropped with US politicians cheering them on and US diplomatic support and denial allowing the Genocide to continue. Nothing could be more salient to US politics than the ways in which the Palestinian Genocide drove us to war.

What a joke.

I feel that this situation unfortunately requires escalation and I will be directly contacting Lemmy World mods, I will update with their response.

For the record the first article about corporate complicity in the Palestinian Genocide includes references to many major US corporations, thus making it drirectly relevant to US politics at an immediate level.

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42581206

https://www.alai.info/en/corporate-participation-and-complicity-in-the-genocide-against-the-palestinian/

The second article about US media’s complicity in coverage over the Palestinian Genocide… do I need to actually explain how that is related to US politics? Of course it is?

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579919

https://dawnmena.org/destroying-al-shifa-hospital-robin-andersens-the-complicity-lens-us-media-coverage-of-israels-genocide-in-gaza/

The third article is relevant because the US and Israel have been intimately interwoven in their escalation of Genocide and breaking of international norms, if a Genocide begins in Lebanon it will be a DIRECT continuation of US politics applied first in Israel and next in Lebanon. I mean what the hell we are fighting a war RIGHT NOW and this is the biggest escalation possible IN THAT WAR. How is that NOT related to US politics???

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579757

https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon

The fourth article about there being no ceasefire in Gaza, I don’t even know how to go about this one, om, it is politics involving primarily the US here? The US is the single most relevant political actor capable of changing this situation? How is this not US politics? Where can you cleanly draw a line here?

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42630002

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza

The US is directly and intimately complicit in the Palestinian Genocide, you cannot in good conscience nor with logical consistency separate US politics cleanly from this issue, if you wanted that to be possible you should have spoken up louder against the Genocide before, now it is too late to fumble with broken stilted arguments like this. The Palestinian Genocide is US Politics, period, end of story.

Can we finally stop pretending that what we have been witnessing in Gaza over the past 22 months is a “war,” a “conflict,” or even a “humanitarian crisis”? Many of the world’s leading human rights and humanitarian groups – including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders – agreed months ago that what is being livestreamed to our phones on a daily basis is indeed a genocide.

Trump’s Republican allies in the House and Senate are even more gung-ho. Forget complicity; Congress is filled with GOP cheerleaders for genocide, from Senators Tom “bounce the rubble in Gaza” Cotton to Lindsey “level the place” Graham. The newest member of the House, Randy Fine, a Republican representative of Florida, has called for the nuking of Gaza and said just days ago that Palestinians in Gaza should “starve away” until the Israeli hostages are all released. (A reminder that incitement to genocide is also a crime under Article III of the Genocide convention.)

But we cannot let Democrats off the hook either. The first 16 months of this mass slaughter unfolded on a Democratic president’s watch. From the get-go, Joe Biden gave Netanyahu and his cabinet of génocidaires everything they needed – 2,000-lb bombs to drop on refugee camps filled with Palestinian children? Check. UN security council vetoes to prevent the passage of resolutions calling for a permanent ceasefire? Check. The burial of internal US government reports warning of war crimes and famine in Gaza? Check.

It wasn’t just Biden. The vast majority of Democrats in Congress spent much of 2024 casting vote after vote to keep arming, funding and whitewashing the mass killing of Palestinian civilians. Even now, in the summer of 2025, seven high-profile Democratic senators were happy to take a smiling photo with Netanyahu, including the Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer, who claims talk of genocide is antisemitic and says his job “is to keep the left pro-Israel”.

  • Mehdi Hasan

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/02/the-us-complicit-genocide-israel-gaza

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    When Jordan was sick, his communities were nicer and easier to discuss things in. Wish he stayed sick so the mini admin couldn’t silence topics he doesn’t want to hear about.

    PTB, as always with Jordan.

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    Jordan Lund is a zionist propogandist who casually abuses people on the site with his mod authority for his own political bias. Unless he’s literally hosting lemmy.world himself, someone has some explaining to do around why that absolute shitbag of a human being is a mod on so many threads. He needs to be removed and banned.

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      Never forget: White Progressive [sic] Discovers Portland’s Unwanted Reputation

      Jordan Lund describes himself as “the whitest guy you’re going to know.”

      “Politically I am incredibly liberal. My biggest problem voting for Hillary Clinton is that she’s entirely too conservative.”

      Race isn’t something Lund thinks about often. He knows Oregon has a troubled history — that for generations, people of color weren’t even allowed to own land here. But from his vantage point — he works in tech in downtown Portland — that’s the stuff of history lessons.

      “The thing I learned growing up as a kid was certain cities in Oregon had the sign at the border saying, ‘Don’t let the sun set on you in our town.’ Grants Pass used to do that. I don’t believe they still do. That was always prominent, but it was always portrayed as the old school rules that don’t apply anymore, like ‘women can’t wear pants.’ It was wacky laws from before I was born, never really thought it would still apply,” he said.

      Except, those laws continue to resonate, generations later. They impact the way Oregon looks – Portland is one of the whitest cities in the country, and Oregon is one of the whitest states. And they impact the way the rest of the country sees this place Lund loves so.

      As a progressive – as a guy who would rather pick U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders or California Gov. Jerry Brown for president – that lack of diversity bothers him. Still, Lund said he doesn’t see much racism in his day-to-day life. He’s certainly never experienced it.

      “Against me? No. The differentiator I experience is because I’m male. I’ve had a lot of anti-male sentiment. I lost a job because of it. Because somebody didn’t like having talking to a guy. Such is life.”

      Lund doesn’t like the rhetoric of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign. He recognizes that his own industry has a diversity problem when it comes to both people of color and women. And he worries about his adopted hometown — but for reasons other than racial tensions.

      “I think Portland had a variety of problems. Race is definitely one of them, yes. But I don’t know that we could classify it as the most important problem. if you look at the homeless situation, there’s definitely an income inequality problem, a mental health problem. there are a whole lot of more pressing problems besides race.”

      And despite his politics, he struggles to find sympathy or kinship with the Black Lives Matter marchers who occasionally disrupt his commute home to protest police violence.

      “I do pay attention to them. I think primarily as somebody who works in downtown we tend to be aware of things like that more because of the disruption it causes. I don’t think the disruption they do is particularly productive. It takes people who would ordinarily be on their side and go, why are they doing this to us? The Portland Police didn’t shoot anybody recently that I’m aware of. If they want to be productive in their protests, they should go to where these events are happening.”

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      FYI according to world admins it’s apparently up to the mods of each comm to deal with all his rule breaking and shitty mod behaviors

      https://lemmy.world/post/36621226

      Basically the admins want to make it seem like they care but they absolutely don’t give a shit how terrible he is

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            I think they have a piefed instance too, piefed.world. No doubt they have every shitty anti-features in piefed enabled there.

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              You mean the social credit score that makes it so if liberals disagree with you that you’re shadow banned?

              Or the obfuscation of what’s allowed because it scans all images uploaded?

              Or any of the horrid things Rimu does because he’s never blamed for the poor chickens and horribly written code?

              If someone has a PieFed.world or .social I just know they hate brown people and communists more than they hate fascists.

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    The solution is the same now as it was a year ago: stop participating in .world communities and start contributing your energy to the equivalent communities elsewhere. The entire point of federated threaded discussion boards is to be able to route around damage (or dipshits).

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        It’s only the biggest instance because people go there, and people only go there because it’s the biggest instance. Go somewhere else. Make THAT the biggest instance.

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    Insanity of saying the US fueled, funded, and permitted (with the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA even going so far as to say he will help Israel “do what they need to do”) genocide in Gaza isn’t US politics aside, why the fuck would you name your com “politics” and not allow politics from the hundreds of other countries?

    Name your damn com US politics then, and maybe learn about the impacts of US foreign policy and recognize that the imperial hegemonic effects of the USs actions actually are US politics.

    JFC that’s a stupid com.

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      It honestly hurts my brain and I would be more inclined to laugh about it if it didn’t hurt my heart so badly to see discussion of the Palestinian Genocide so clearly silenced by people like Jordan Lund.

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            I temp banned you for three days after you repeatedly failed to follow the clear guidelines I gave you.

            When the ban expires, you’re welcome to post US Politics articles back in Politics as you did here (excellent post BTW):

            https://lemmy.world/post/44253357

            If you insist on posting “Israel bad!” to a community specifically for US Politics, you will get banned again.

            Israel / Gaza = Goes in !world@lemmy.world

            Things actually involving US Politics goes in Politics.

            This is why separate communities exist.

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                Somehow it effected the election, but also isn’t important enough to bother with upholding international law.

                The enemy is too strong and too weak.

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                They CAN be political issues, notably AIPAC interference in US elections, but the removed articles has ZERO connection to US Politics which is the stated purpose of !politics@lemmy.world

                Please feel free to review the removed articles, note how none of them mention any connection to US Politics, Policy, or Politicians.

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              Israel / Gaza

              That would make some sense if USA and majority of congress people weren’t either supporting Israel in their genocide or just in supplying weapons and funds

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                Nobody supports the genocide, well, maybe Trump who wants the waterfront property.

                The majority support Israel as a nation who continues to abuse that support, but the abuse is on the Israeli side, not the American side.

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              If you insist on posting “Israel bad!” to a community specifically for US Politics, you will get banned again.

              Please elaborate on what precisely you mean by “Israel bad!”? Do you mean low effort articles that claim Israel is bad for intellectually lazy reasons? Have I posted those? If so which ones? What evidence do you have of those articles having baseless, sloppy criticisms of the politics at hand here?

              Israel / Gaza = Goes in !world@lemmy.world

              How does this make sense? Defend your position as moderator of a community where you exclude Israel/Gaza as a political topic but you do not exclude discussion of any other international issue that has direct, intimate relevance to the US along countless dimensions?

              I temp banned you for three days after you repeatedly failed to follow the clear guidelines I gave you.

              Ok, lets make a bet, how many US made bombs do you think Israel will drop from US trained fighter pilots flying US jets that refueled on US made tanker aircraft on innocent children in the next 3 days while I wait to post political articles about it? 20? 30? I will say 35 as my guess, what do you guess?

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                Politics is specifically stated to be for US Politics.

                Israel bombing a hospital in Gaza is NOT US Politics. Israel is not the United States.

                No US Politician told Israel to bomb a hospital. There was no vote in the House or Senate to authorize bombing hospitals.

                Yes, what Israel is doing are war crimes, but they are outside the sphere of US Politics.

                Israel being a bad actor is welcome in !world@lemmy.world

                Unless there is a specific connection to US Political leaders or Policy (as there was in the post that was NOT removed), it doesn’t belong in !politics@lemmy.world

                I have this same conversation when people post internal US News to World as well. World is a US news free zone. Otherwise it would be “Trump does stupid shit” top to bottom.

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                  So let me get this straight so I can laugh harder at your absurd attempts to rationalize your innate emotional desire not to see reality for how it is, if Israel drops a 2000 pound bomb US made bomb on a children’s school in Gaza and kills 15 children, and then US politicians run cover for Israel stopping international agencies that could hold Israel accountable from being able to do so… you don’t think that is relevant to US politics?

                  The US is absolutely instrumental along every dimension in the Palestinian Genocide, material, monetary, political, cultural… in every respect the US is relevant. if you cannot grasp that you should not be moderating a Politics community, period, full stop. Having you in charge of a Politics community is tantamount to having a child run a Liquor store unsupervised, you have no clue what you are doing and frankly it is dangerous.

                  As a final note, in the interests of shitting on anti-semitism because let me make clear I cannot stand anti-semites they piss the hell out of me, fuck people who lazily blame the consequences of their choices on jews and call it a day… it is necessary to discuss how Israel is a colonial imperialist outpost of the US and reflects many of the same patterns the US has in order to diffuse anti-semitic narratives that Israel’s behavior has something to do with being jewish and evil, and not being a vassal state of a colonial empire that can do things the colonial empire can’t get away with doing themselves.

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                  Israel bombing a hospital in Gaza is NOT US Politics. Israel is not the United States.

                  Bullshit.

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              Hi Jordan. Nice to see your imminent death experience prompted you to reflect on some of your opinions and actions.

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                  Nah, just when a horrible human being uses a transparently stupid and incorrect justification to promote his own bias in obvious bad faith.

                  We have the president we do now BECAUSE of the Gaza genocide. It is explicitly US News / Politics.

                  You’re a bad person.

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          • /politics has several explicitly defined rules. Which one states only US politics are accepted?
          • Why would a com called /politics not allow discussions about politics?
          • If the goal is to restrict posts to us politics, why aren’t you using a com like /us_politics?
          • If the goal is to restrict posts to US politics, why don’t the impacts of US foreign policy or reports on domestic coverage of US aided foreign wars not count as pertaining to the US?
          • US taxes are paying for Israeli bombs used to genocide Palestinians. How is that not related to US politics?
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            It’s literally the first line on the sidebar:

            • If the goal is to restrict posts to us politics, why aren’t you using a com like /us_politics?

            Good question, the community was set up before I was brought on board, I can’t say why they set it up that way, simply that it is.

            • If the goal is to restrict posts to US politics, why don’t the impacts of US foreign policy or reports on domestic coverage of US aided foreign wars not count as pertaining to the US?

            Unless the news article specifically points to US policy or political action, it doesn’t belong in Politics. This isn’t six degrees of separation.

            World exists for non-us World news.

            • US taxes are paying for Israeli bombs used to genocide Palestinians. How is that not related to US politics?

            Because no US politician or policy authorizes the genocide. That’s an Israeli war crime. The US provided funding for legitimate defense, not genocide.

            You can see what they THINK they were funding through sites like this:

            https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel

            Now, you and I both know Israel isn’t ACTUALLY using the funding for that, but that’s on Israel.

            As I said in another post, the funding was done in good faith, Israel is using it in bad faith.

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    every time i read anything about jordan lund it just bums me out. he’s like a king of nothing.

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    I feel that this situation unfortunately requires escalation and I will be directly contacting Lemmy World mods, I will update with their response.

    The lemmy.world admins have been very clear in their actions that they approve of jordanlund.

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          World admins are masters of saying lots to say absolutely nothing.

          It’s either that or doing good things for the absolutely worst reason. Unironicly also given to jordanlund to do for banning amp links, not because of how terrible they are but because caused issues with their awful mbfc bot

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      Shame on them then, if they take no action on Jordan Lund they are an embarrassment to the entire Fediverse and they diminish our community here by occupying the spot as the largest political community while harboring such heinous and unpopular, cruel and inaccurate beliefs about the world.

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          Honestly it might be, why else would they take half the things they get away with while saying other instances are guilty of doing it?

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          I feel like it would be less well managed if it was actually that to be honest. Like… in other respects the Lemmy.World moderation team seems to be fairly competent and all, I don’t have any particular beef about their competency personally, so in my opinion it is unlikely it is actually a CIA psyop.

          Do you think the CIA could even manage to keep a decent server uptime going? I am not so sure, maybe.

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            Go research Ed Bernays. Or NED. Operations Condor and Gladios. The Pentagon Papers. Julian Assange, Edward Snowden. Room 641A. Yellow Journalism. ETA: 4chan

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      it is NOT US political policy.

      When the US has been funding this and is currently partnering with them for additional war crimes against another nation, I kinda think there’s enough overlap to consider it “US political policy.”

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        The US is providing funding which Israel is appropriating for genocide, but it was never provided specifically for the genocide.

        Israel’s war crimes are on Israel.

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            Huge difference for the people who legitimately believe Israel has a right to self defense. The problem is they also can’t recognize that Israel moved to offense ages ago.

            The funding was provided in good faith, it’s being used in bad faith. That’s the difference.

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              Mainaiining occupation is not self defense. Nazi germany did not have the right to defend themselves against the people they genocided

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              You are framing this as sequence of events where the US formerly gave Israel weapons under false pretenses from Israel about what they would be used for when there is no evidence it was under false pretenses, there is no evidence it stopped and there is no evidence it will stop.

              You are trying to describe a river as a truck that drove by once, not a continuous flow where each subsequent thing is an evolution and a response to the last. You say well the US drove the truck of weapons to Israel and THEN they committed Genocide with them… I say it is a continous river where if what was happening downstream was truly dammed (and not just damned), the consequences would already be overwhelming for what was attempting to dam an undeniable upstream force even if there is a physical distance of separation described… it is a river, that is what rivers are, conveyances in communication.

              This is a river of arms, death and the machinery of oppression.

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                First - 100% props for dammed/damned. Chefs kiss!

                The problem is that US politicians are absolutely blind when it comes to Israeli war crimes. I personally know people in Southern Lebanon impacted not just by what Israel is doing there NOW, but what they have been doing there, Jesus, going back to the 90s through multiple illegal occupations.

                All the politicians see is “Hezbollah attacks Israel? ZOMG! More money for defense!”

                Ignoring the fact that, the reality on the ground is, they will kidnap a doctor in the middle of the night, tell him if he resists, he will be shot and killed, haul him off to treat a prisoner with no compensation, and then dump him on the side of the road like so much trash when they no longer have a use for him.

                That’s a true story from the brother of one of my close friends. The difference is, I have the decency and common sense to blame Israel for it, not the US.

                It’s Israeli policy to bulldoze homes, not US policy:

                https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/08/lebanon-israeli-militarys-deliberate-destruction-of-civilian-property-and-land-must-be-investigated-as-war-crimes/

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                  First - 100% props for dammed/damned. Chefs kiss!

                  Don’t play cute with me, I am accusing you of a grave crime upon your own soul you fool.

                  IV. Intersecting Components of the Gaza Genocide A. Genocide Under the Guise of Diplomatic and Political Actions

                  1. Prolonged political and diplomatic support by influential Third States has enabled Israel to initiate and sustain its assault on the Palestinian people. In the past two years, entrenched complicity, marked by narrative manipulations and reproduction of Israeli fabrications, have muted the urgent calls for action and obscured the web of political, financial and military interests at play. The longstanding failure to address egregious violations of international law by Israel – threatening international peace and security – has normalized and deepened relations with it, entrenching oppression, domination and erasure.
                  1. Following 7 October 2023, most Western leaders parroted Israeli narratives, disseminated by State and corporate media, repeating debunked claims and erasing core distinctions between combatants and civilians. Israelis were depicted as “civilians” and “hostages”, and Palestinians as “Hamas terrorists”, “legitimate” or “collateral” targets, “human shields” or lawfully detained “prisoners”. Drawing on a long history of the “savage” denied protections of international law, revived by the War on Terror discourse, Western States helped to justify the genocide against Palestinians. On 9 October 2023, immediately after Israel announced a tightened siege on Gaza, key Western leaders expressed support for the “self-defence” of Israel – unwarranted under article 51 of the UN Charter. President Biden repeatedly cited unsubstantiated reports of “beheaded babies”. British opposition Leader Keir Starmer defended Israel’s right to cut off water and power to civilians.
                  1. This environment fuelled a ferocious Israeli assault. Even amidst urgent calls for a ceasefire, Western states, led by the United States, advocated only for humanitarian “corridors”, “pauses” and “truces” – sidestepping a permanent ceasefire and ensuring a continuation of the violence. States reverted to treating the situation as a humanitarian crisis to be managed, rather than resolved, by demanding that Israel end its unlawful occupation once and for all, providing further leeway to the assault on Gaza.
                  1. Post-October 2023, the United States used its veto power in the UN Security Council seven times, controlling ceasefire negotiations and providing diplomatic cover for the Israeli genocide. The US has not acted alone. Abstentions, delays, watered-down draft resolutions and a simplistic rhetoric of “balance” reinforced the diplomatic protection and political narrative Israel required to continue the The United Kingdom maintained alignment with the US position until November 2024. A bloc of Western states – Australia, New Zealand and Canada, sometimes joined by the UK, Germany or the Netherlands – appeared at times ready to pressurize Israel, such as in December 2023, when their statements added momentum for a ceasefire. Yet their introduction of the term “sustained ceasefire” produced a diluted UNSC resolution that delayed action. In February 2024, they criticized the planned invasion of Rafah while simultaneously withdrawing United Nations Relief Words Agency (UNRWA) funding. Such diplomacy created an illusion of progress while concrete actions were repeatedly stymied.
                  1. Sanctions served a similar In 2024, Australia, Canada, the EU, New Zealand and the UK sanctioned some extremist settlers and organizations, and in June 2025, Israeli Ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich were sanctioned by Australia, Canada, Norway and the UK. Yet such isolated actions effectively condone the Israeli state system and structures as a whole.
                  1. Arab and Muslim states have long supported the Palestinian Three joint Arab- Islamic summits and several extraordinary meetings on Palestine, generated some collective efforts, including the Arab Plan. Nevertheless, these actions have not been decisive, even amid Israeli aggression against six Arab States, reflecting the complexity of regional geopolitics. Normalization through the US-brokered Abraham Accords has also shifted economic incentives. Open sources report that influential States in the region facilitated land routes to Israel, bypassing the Red Sea. While Qatar and Egypt sought to broker ceasefire agreements, Qatar hosts the largest US military base in the region, and Egypt maintained significant security and economic relations with Israel, including energy cooperation and the closing of the Rafah crossing.
                  1. Certain non-Western States have turned to international courts to seek accountability and pressurize Israel to cease its actions. While only 13 States have supported South Africa before the ICJ, most Western States have persistently denied genocide. None have joined Nicaragua against Germany at the ICJ, or invoked domestic laws against complicit corporations or individuals. Only seven referred the situation to the ICC, many sought to undermine its arrest warrants, and at least 37 States were non-committal or critical, signalling intent to evade arrest obligations. The United States imposed sanctions to paralyse the Court; the United Kingdom threatened its funding, while Prime Minister Netanyahu travelled freely across European airspace, even visiting Hungary, which withdrew from the Court in April 2025.
                  1. Israel has been sheltered from accountability in courts as well as in global fora, with institutions preventing its deserved expulsion both from sports (e.g., Paris Olympics, FIFA World Cup qualifiers, FIBA, Davis Cup) and cultural events (Eurovision, Venice Biennale).
                  1. The ICJ’s groundbreaking ruling on the illegality of the occupation has yet to bring change. On 18 September 2024, the UN General Assembly adopted resolution ES-10/24, reaffirming the binding nature of the Court’s legal obligations and formulating a roadmap to end the occupation by 17 September 2025 through diplomatic, economic and legal measures which states have yet to implement.
                  1. The Saudi–French Two-State Solution Conference of September 2025 led to ten new States recognizing the State of Palestine. While an important step, these tardy recognitions have so far remained symbolic, with no tangible effect in addressing the ongoing genocide. Overall, 20 new states have issued recognitions of the State of Palestine since October 2023, but with restrictive conditions (e.g., concerning governance, territorial integrity, political independence and demilitarization) incompatible with the very essence of self- determination, effectively reproducing forms of colonial tutelage.
                  1. Since October 2023, only Belize, Bolivia, Colombia and Nicaragua have suspended diplomatic relations with Israel, and only six States – Bahrain, Chad, Chile, Honduras, Jordan, Türkiye and South Africa – have downgraded their relations with Israel.
                  1. The most notable effort has come from the Hague Group initiative launched in January 2025. Led by Colombia and South Africa, 13 States of the Global Majority have committed to enforce six concrete measures against Israel. Twenty-one other States joined the third meeting of the Group in New York on the sidelines of the 80th Session of the General Assembly. Despite the efforts of some of its members, Israel still holds its UN credentials.
                  1. On 30 September 2025, many States, including Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Türkiye and the UAE, endorsed the “Trump Plan”, despite its silence on ending the occupation, ensuring accountability, providing transitional justice and its imposition of a temporary mechanism of imperial foreign governance for Gaza that further undermines, rather than realizes, Palestinian self-determination.

                  https://www.un.org/unispal/document/special-rapporteur-report-gaza-genocide-a-collective-crime-20oct25/

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          If you give money to someone after they tell you they are going to use that money to buy a gun and kill people you are morally responsible for those deaths.

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            Wrong analogy.

            Someone tells you “Hey, someone has been breaking into my house, stealing things and breaking up the place.”

            “Gee, that’s awful, you know how to fix that? Shotguns. Here you go!”

            Then they go down and shoot up a school.

            You didn’t tell them to shoot up a school. You helped them with a legitimate need.

            The problem is they come back to you and go “Damn it! They broke in again!” and you provide them guns again hoping, beyond all hope, that instead this time, maybe THIS time, they’ll actually use them to defend their home.

            Nope, this time they shoot up a hospital.

            But their illegal use of the weapons is not what you authorized or intended.

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              I don’t know if anyone told you this but the israelis are the ones who broke into the Palestinians house with the help of the allied powers.

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              IV. Intersecting Components of the Gaza Genocide A. Genocide Under the Guise of Diplomatic and Political Actions

              1. Prolonged political and diplomatic support by influential Third States has enabled Israel to initiate and sustain its assault on the Palestinian people. In the past two years, entrenched complicity, marked by narrative manipulations and reproduction of Israeli fabrications, have muted the urgent calls for action and obscured the web of political, financial and military interests at play. The longstanding failure to address egregious violations of international law by Israel – threatening international peace and security – has normalized and deepened relations with it, entrenching oppression, domination and erasure.
              1. Following 7 October 2023, most Western leaders parroted Israeli narratives, disseminated by State and corporate media, repeating debunked claims and erasing core distinctions between combatants and civilians. Israelis were depicted as “civilians” and “hostages”, and Palestinians as “Hamas terrorists”, “legitimate” or “collateral” targets, “human shields” or lawfully detained “prisoners”. Drawing on a long history of the “savage” denied protections of international law, revived by the War on Terror discourse, Western States helped to justify the genocide against Palestinians. On 9 October 2023, immediately after Israel announced a tightened siege on Gaza, key Western leaders expressed support for the “self-defence” of Israel – unwarranted under article 51 of the UN Charter. President Biden repeatedly cited unsubstantiated reports of “beheaded babies”. British opposition Leader Keir Starmer defended Israel’s right to cut off water and power to civilians.
              1. This environment fuelled a ferocious Israeli assault. Even amidst urgent calls for a ceasefire, Western states, led by the United States, advocated only for humanitarian “corridors”, “pauses” and “truces” – sidestepping a permanent ceasefire and ensuring a continuation of the violence. States reverted to treating the situation as a humanitarian crisis to be managed, rather than resolved, by demanding that Israel end its unlawful occupation once and for all, providing further leeway to the assault on Gaza.
              1. Post-October 2023, the United States used its veto power in the UN Security Council seven times, controlling ceasefire negotiations and providing diplomatic cover for the Israeli genocide. The US has not acted alone. Abstentions, delays, watered-down draft resolutions and a simplistic rhetoric of “balance” reinforced the diplomatic protection and political narrative Israel required to continue the The United Kingdom maintained alignment with the US position until November 2024. A bloc of Western states – Australia, New Zealand and Canada, sometimes joined by the UK, Germany or the Netherlands – appeared at times ready to pressurize Israel, such as in December 2023, when their statements added momentum for a ceasefire. Yet their introduction of the term “sustained ceasefire” produced a diluted UNSC resolution that delayed action. In February 2024, they criticized the planned invasion of Rafah while simultaneously withdrawing United Nations Relief Words Agency (UNRWA) funding. Such diplomacy created an illusion of progress while concrete actions were repeatedly stymied.
              1. Sanctions served a similar In 2024, Australia, Canada, the EU, New Zealand and the UK sanctioned some extremist settlers and organizations, and in June 2025, Israeli Ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich were sanctioned by Australia, Canada, Norway and the UK. Yet such isolated actions effectively condone the Israeli state system and structures as a whole.
              1. Arab and Muslim states have long supported the Palestinian Three joint Arab- Islamic summits and several extraordinary meetings on Palestine, generated some collective efforts, including the Arab Plan. Nevertheless, these actions have not been decisive, even amid Israeli aggression against six Arab States, reflecting the complexity of regional geopolitics. Normalization through the US-brokered Abraham Accords has also shifted economic incentives. Open sources report that influential States in the region facilitated land routes to Israel, bypassing the Red Sea. While Qatar and Egypt sought to broker ceasefire agreements, Qatar hosts the largest US military base in the region, and Egypt maintained significant security and economic relations with Israel, including energy cooperation and the closing of the Rafah crossing.
              1. Certain non-Western States have turned to international courts to seek accountability and pressurize Israel to cease its actions. While only 13 States have supported South Africa before the ICJ, most Western States have persistently denied genocide. None have joined Nicaragua against Germany at the ICJ, or invoked domestic laws against complicit corporations or individuals. Only seven referred the situation to the ICC, many sought to undermine its arrest warrants, and at least 37 States were non-committal or critical, signalling intent to evade arrest obligations. The United States imposed sanctions to paralyse the Court; the United Kingdom threatened its funding, while Prime Minister Netanyahu travelled freely across European airspace, even visiting Hungary, which withdrew from the Court in April 2025.
              1. Israel has been sheltered from accountability in courts as well as in global fora, with institutions preventing its deserved expulsion both from sports (e.g., Paris Olympics, FIFA World Cup qualifiers, FIBA, Davis Cup) and cultural events (Eurovision, Venice Biennale).
              1. The ICJ’s groundbreaking ruling on the illegality of the occupation has yet to bring change. On 18 September 2024, the UN General Assembly adopted resolution ES-10/24, reaffirming the binding nature of the Court’s legal obligations and formulating a roadmap to end the occupation by 17 September 2025 through diplomatic, economic and legal measures which states have yet to implement.
              1. The Saudi–French Two-State Solution Conference of September 2025 led to ten new States recognizing the State of Palestine. While an important step, these tardy recognitions have so far remained symbolic, with no tangible effect in addressing the ongoing genocide. Overall, 20 new states have issued recognitions of the State of Palestine since October 2023, but with restrictive conditions (e.g., concerning governance, territorial integrity, political independence and demilitarization) incompatible with the very essence of self- determination, effectively reproducing forms of colonial tutelage.
              1. Since October 2023, only Belize, Bolivia, Colombia and Nicaragua have suspended diplomatic relations with Israel, and only six States – Bahrain, Chad, Chile, Honduras, Jordan, Türkiye and South Africa – have downgraded their relations with Israel.
              1. The most notable effort has come from the Hague Group initiative launched in January 2025. Led by Colombia and South Africa, 13 States of the Global Majority have committed to enforce six concrete measures against Israel. Twenty-one other States joined the third meeting of the Group in New York on the sidelines of the 80th Session of the General Assembly. Despite the efforts of some of its members, Israel still holds its UN credentials.
              1. On 30 September 2025, many States, including Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Türkiye and the UAE, endorsed the “Trump Plan”, despite its silence on ending the occupation, ensuring accountability, providing transitional justice and its imposition of a temporary mechanism of imperial foreign governance for Gaza that further undermines, rather than realizes, Palestinian self-determination.

              https://www.un.org/unispal/document/special-rapporteur-report-gaza-genocide-a-collective-crime-20oct25/

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            Show me the vote where the US told Israel to kill as many people as possible. It’s cool. I can wait.

            There is a radical contingent on Lemmy that wants to blame the US for every evil thing in the world, that is not reality.

            They will grow up some day, today is not that day.

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              Under the genocide and geneva conventions the united states should not give a single dime to Israel until the occupation end. It is complicity but you are too stupid to realize this. Nothing radical about opposing the complicity of the united states in the settler colonial project.

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                Absolutely agreed, but that doesn’t make Israeli war crimes a topic for a community exclusively for US politics.

                Post up a story about the US House and Senate voting to fund or de-fund Israel? AIPAC swinging US elections again? Sure.

                Israel committing war crimes is World news not US politics.

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      Thank you for publicly making a fool out of yourself, it makes my task easier to point out your willful ignorance on US politics and how it dangerously bifurcates discussion about the US and Israel.

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      This is such a weird distinction. Everything Israel does is with the help of US policy. Like I don’t understand why it’s not allowed by the communities rules.

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        Exactly, it isn’t even some weird conspiracy either, empires have had vassal states since as long as empires have existed, why are we pretending now that vassal states don’t exist as a concept because the subject is the US and Israel?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzerainty

        Suzerainty differs from sovereignty in that the dominant power does not exercise centralized governance over the vassals, allowing tributary states to be technically self-ruling but enjoy only limited independence. Although the situation has existed in a number of historical empires, it is considered difficult to reconcile with 20th- or 21st-century concepts of international law, in which sovereignty is a binary concept, which either exists or does not. In contrast, suzerainty is non-binary and lies on a continuum. While a sovereign state can agree by treaty to become a protectorate of a stronger power, modern international law does not recognise any way of making this relationship compulsory on the weaker power. Suzerainty is a practical, de facto situation, rather than a legal, de jure one.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassal_state

        It is remarkable arguing against someone where all it takes is literally two wikipedia articles about basic political concepts to demolish their moderation policy for the largest Political community on a network.

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        What Israel is doing are specific actions taken by Israel. They are not being directed by US policy or US Politicians. The US provides funding for Israeli defense which Israel immediately misappropriates for the genocide.

        Again, Israeli war crimes, not US war crimes.

        There is no US policy stating “Gaza? Pfffft… kill 'em all.”

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          There is no US policy stating “Gaza? Pfffft… kill 'em all.”

          But that is exactly what US policy is, in effect. By refusing to hold Israel accountable, by continuing to supply arms and political cover, and by joining hands with Israel to attack Iran, the US government (both parties) has repeatedly endorsed, aided and abetted the genocidal government of Israel. The stain of that genocide can’t be washed away so easily, simply by you naively claiming US politicians thought Israel would use such support purely for self defence. Nobody is buying the obvious bullshit you are selling. US politicians want Israel to be a US stronghold in the region, no matter what. The whole world thinks the US is culpable, because we have eyes and ears.

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            “In effect” but not explicitly stated. Unless you can point to it actually being US Policy, it doesn’t belong in a community dedicated to US policy.

            Again, this is why separate communities exist and have their own rules. You don’t go into the carnivore community going on about how “hey, beefsteak tomatoes are effectively the same thing! It’s in the name!”