• glimse@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    Why did he stop finishing the sentence before moving onto the next line

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    6 days ago

    I feel like Trump and MAGA have lost A LOT of steam since 2016. People like to pretend that his support has been consistent, but so far his second term he seems to be a lot more universally hated. I feel like a pretty big shift among the right happened when he came out and not only blatantly lied about the Epstein files, but disowned his own supporters. I feel like his core base is now fractured and unenthusiastic about him. He doesn’t wield as much influence as he once did. We’ll see if that’s really the case in the midterms.

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        6 days ago

        Honestly Fox doesn’t hold as much weight as it used to. Ever since Tucker Carlson left, they’ve been kind of irrelevant. This is doubly true when you consider that a lot of their viewers moved to Newsmax and OANN after they have multiple public feuds with Trump. They’re still a propaganda outlet for his admin, but not to the same extent as it used to. I think Facebook is way more influential nowadays. The sheer amount of propaganda, bots, and misinformation on there is so ridiculous it should be illegal.

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          6 days ago

          Fair enough, I live in a red state and the needle has not moved at all for anyone I have met who voted for him. It is pretty ridiculous, they don’t even have a single criticism. I had one tell me straight faced that the war in Iran was Biden’s fault for not taking care of Iran earlier.

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            I think those types are beyond hope. They’re so zealous and ignorant that I honestly think that they basically worship Trump. I’m talking more about the quieter types. Back during the 2000s, Bush actually had a pretty big base of supporters, and they were especially vocal after 9/11, but after the 2008 recession and the war on terror, a lot of his supporters went silent. Sure, there we’re still a few that supported him afterwards, but a lot of his supporters chose to pretend that they never supported Bush in the first place. I feel like something similar is happening here.

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              6 days ago

              I sure do hope you are right and people are actually tired of him because I know I am. I couldn’t believe he was even allowed to be a candidate. It was truly bizarre.

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    6 days ago

    And the 40% of Americans who don’t give a shit will continue to ignore you.

    At what point can we say the Epstien strategy will not “take down” Trump?

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      Probably at the point where people like you can’t help but shit on any and all efforts to keep talking about it.

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        So, we’re already there?

        Your gumption in trying to reveal evil is admirable, but this simply isn’t a winning strategy. It’s not working.

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          Oh yeah let’s just give up on justice for child sex abuse victims because it’s “not a winning strategy.” Thanks for the excellent advice bud.

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            Nobody said give up. The implication is that talking about how its wrong doesnt change a sociopaths mind. They dnt and wont care. You have to get up and fight

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            Where did I say we should give up on justice for child sex abuse victims?

            We should be giving up on this naive notion that one of these Epstein file drops is going to magically turn 60 million people against Trump.

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              Sorry, I must be one of the 40% of Americans that don’t give a shit why you’re trying to take the wind out of the sails of the movement, just that you are.

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                …what world are you living in? You’re still expecting someone to save you. Someone in the government to swoop in and give the nasty Orange man his just deserts? There’s no one. No one is coming to save you. You’re all going to have to save yourselves and the longer you wait for someone else to get up for you the harder it will be to do. If you’re not actively involved in resisting the administrations plans in any way you’re consenting to it. Trying to make someone feel bad online doesn’t count.

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                Lol dog, you have no “movement”. You have a disparate collection of people bleating epstein to deaf ears on social media. Please show me how this epstein “movement” has had any measurable effect on the administration’s ability to orchestrate fascism.

                Again, the original question was: at what point would you concede that this strategy is failing?

                When the first doors are broken down? When the first public execution happens? When socialists are being loaded onto trains? When the first mass grave is discovered? Once the first million Muslim or Arab Americans have been executed?

                Is there any point at which youd give up on this strategy?

                Dont get me wrong, we need justice for the people that were abused, but appealing to the morality of our oppressors is silly. True justice for these victims will come when our systems functionally disallow the formation of any sort of Epstein class. Keep in mind, someone else has undoubtedly already picked up where Epstein left off.

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          Tell ya what, unless you’re a pedophile, I am not your enemy. And as long as you’re not a pedophile, there is no good to come from us fighting with each other. Let’s instead focus our energies fighting pedophiles instead.

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      [in Homer Simpson’s voice] ‘if you don’t immediately win, you shouldn’t even try’ - Ferrous