• BCsven@lemmy.ca
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    2 days ago

    What’s stupid about people saying only LLMs use emdash and the sentence lists of threes, is that’s exactly how we learned to write throughout our Canadian highshool curriculum.

    And if you read dialog or narratation in books, its full of emdash asides in sentences.

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      2 days ago

      I only recently learnt about how em-dashes had a separate name, thanks to its popularisation by people trying to detect LLMs.

      Earlier, I just thought of them as just a longer dash and I used them when manually writing (often made them longer than 2 characters), but just used a normal dash when typing.

  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    Yeah, that’s sad.

    And he’s correct. AI “detectors” as he describes are both wrong, useless, and doomed to fail.

    But there are better ways to get hints. Specific models tend to overuse certain tokens: they’ll pick the same character names for a story, or overuse certain phrases, and if you play when them long enough you start to recognize “oh, that’s an OpenAI” model, or “this is dry like Nvidia Nemotron,” or whatever.

    See EQBench’s slop profiles: https://eqbench.com/

    But, ultimately, the way to fix this is to go back to trusted sources and citations.

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    3 days ago

    This man is a fucking hero. He’s got the concept built just right; I’ve been trying to slap it together much more awkwardly, for years.

    I’m not a robot, I’m just following the rules of the language I learned.

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    3 days ago

    Fascinating stuff, and it makes sense that a more rigid, rules-based version of English would be both taught in ESL schools and learnt by an LLM.

    If I start a sentence, “The cat sat on the…”,

    Me: “mat”

    your brain, and the AI, will predict the word “floor.”

    Oh. I’m not sure that’s the best example, as that particular phrase is something many children encounter when learning to read.

    Also, British English would close the quotes before the full stop (aka period) finishes the sentence - is that something he’s picked up since school or is that something that’s changed since the Kenyan model of perfect English was set?

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      3 days ago

      [British] I’m fairly sure I was taught to put the full stop before the closing quote, but that’s perhaps only for dialogue?

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        It was that you could use quoted punctuation to punctuate a sentence, but you shouldn’t quote anything that’s not part of the quote. For example, you wouldn’t say

        The first word of that popular birthday song is “happy.”

        This would suggest that the first line goes “Happy. Birthday to you” whereas you could just finish after the quote: first word is “happy”.

        Also, compare

        He said “hello”?
        He said “hello?”
        He said “hello?”?

        All mean different things, although that last one does look very odd.