Palden Yeshi, a Tibetan monk and teacher from eastern Tibet, has reportedly been sentenced to six years in prison by Chinese authorities for teaching the Tibetan language to local children during school holidays, according to a report by the Dharamshala-based independent radio station Voice of Tibet (VoT).
He was a teacher at Karze Monastery in Tehor, Karze County, and was arrested on May 17, 2021, while serving at the monastery. According to sources cited by VoT, Chinese police suddenly arrived at the monastery and detained him without prior notice, forcibly taking him away.
Following his detention, authorities did not provide his family with clear information regarding the reasons for his arrest or the legal basis for the charges against him.
Sources indicate that the primary reason for his detention was his efforts to teach the Tibetan language to more than 300 local children during school holidays. The classes were reportedly organized for young students from nearby communities who wished to learn Tibetan reading and writing. Chinese authorities are believed to have deemed these voluntary language lessons illegal.
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In related news, China bars Tibetan government employees from religious rites and family funerals.
Tibetans employed in government positions have been strictly forbidden from engaging in religious practices. While they are technically allowed to visit major religious sites such as the Jokhang Temple (Tsuglakhang) and the Potala Palace during Losar, their presence is limited to sightseeing purposes only.
They are expressly prohibited from offering prayers, making ritual offerings, performing prostrations, or displaying any other forms of religious devotion. Authorities reportedly warned that such acts would constitute violations of Communist Party discipline.
The restrictions extend into private family life. Government employees are said to be barred not only from participating in public religious ceremonies but also from attending last rites, weekly memorial prayer services, and cremation rituals for their own deceased relatives. A Lhasa resident told TT that even the traditional seventh-day prayers for the departed cannot be attended by those in state employment.
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ITT
“It’s a lie!” “It’s the truth!” “Nuh-uh!” “Uh-huh!”
It’s almost as if obfuscation of the truth were the goal. I wonder who that benefits…
If benefits the capitalist class, lately also known as the Epstein class.
But muh Media Bias/Fact Check says it checks out!
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/contact/
Dave M. Van Zandt obtained a Communications Degree before pursuing a higher degree in the sciences. Dave currently works full time in the health care industry. Dave has spent more than 20 years as an arm chair researcher on media bias and its role in political influence.
Van Zandt is some hobbyist who was in the right place at the right time: the “post-truth” moment of Clinton’s loss to Trump and the string of Russiagate conspiracy theories and Kellyanne Conway’s alternative facts and the Cambridge Analytica hysteria.
The whole concept of the “left” or ”right“ “bias” being inversely correlated with factualness is garbage. These kinds of graphs, which try to convince us that centrism equals factualness, are garbage:
The core bias of corporate media is the bias of the capitalist class, but people like Van Zandt don’t seem to understand this.
The inner workings of corporate media were explained about forty years ago in Inventing Reality and Manufacturing Consent.
A five minute introduction: Noam Chomsky - The 5 Filters of the Mass Media Machine
I said “these kinds of graphs,” of which there are many https://duckduckgo.com/?q=media+bias+chart&iax=images&ia=images
But you’ve sparked an idea for an interesting project: use MBFC’s API to create one of these graphs from their own data. Doing a little googling, it seems that scripts and data dumps aren’t hard to come by.
I think armchair media analyst Dave M. Van Zandt is going on vibes. I don’t think he understands corporate & think tank media. Does he know who Walter Lippman or Edward Bernays were, or what the Council on Foreign Relations (“least biased” 🤡) is or made note of its prominent media members? Does he know about the Powell memorandum or the Trilateral Commission’s report, The Crisis of Democracy?
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site:mediabiasfactcheck.com "manufacturing consent".I’ve seen The Grayzone debunk the New York Times’ lies many times, and yet:
Also, in what universe is the neoliberal, anti-labor NYT center-left? And if the Grayzone in the ultraviolet territory, where does that leave the explicitly Communist Monthly Review, outside of MBFC’s Overton window? Surprise, it’s to the right of it:
The first step is to understand the media, which Media Bias/Fact Check and the Ad Fontes Media* are never going to teach you. The only people who are taught it are those who get degrees in marketing, public relations, political science, history, and journalism; and even then only some of them.
The new post-Trump/“post-truth” media literacy curricula won’t teach it to you either, because it was paid for and crafted by the US military-industrial complex: New Media Literacy Standards Aim to Combat ‘Truth Decay’.
This week, the RAND Corporation released a new set of media literacy standards designed to support schools in this task.
The standards are part of RAND’s ongoing project on “truth decay”: a phenomenon that RAND researchers describe as “the diminishing role that facts, data, and analysis play in our political and civic discourse.”
None of it is a secret, though, and it can be learned.
Legendary comment. Do you have a blog or anything?
Thanks! No blog; just a small collection of zingers after ~3 years of Lemmy conversations.
If you ever want to, I’m sure others would find it useful. Of course, you don’t owe anyone your time/effiort.
I know a few people here who’ve already done a better job than I probably could.
Thank you o7
Tankies will look you dead in the eyes and tell you this isn’t colonialism.
I tap three green mana and summon a 1/5 Tankie. Cannot be the subject of reason or debate.
Tankies won’t like this
A lot of people don’t like fake news.
But this is par for the course from Hotznplotzn and his
sockpuppetsfriends.So are you going to address the claims or not?
The burden of proof is on the claimants. It’s on the reporter and the US-funded Voice of Tibet and @Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org and the Dali “suck my tongue”, “in the Epstein files 169 times” Lama.
Fair enough
i’d be pretty stoked to see tibetan theocrats rekt.
That would be a pretty shocking deviation from the current policy where over 90% of students in Tibet receive a bilingual education in primary and middle school.
thanks china, for freeing tibet
You’re right, I don’t like obvious propaganda that has nothing to back it up beyond, “sources believe.”
Who says China is an authoritarian regime? You can’t prove that. /s
Just saw a post about their social credit score and lots of comments telling how 90% of their population is very happy and very supportive of the government. Idk if they are bots or people believing this.
Han people account for about 90% of their population. Could that be related?
Hitler was a vegetarian. Could vegetarians be Nazis?
I don’t see how that logic follows with the Hitler example.
If the current government favours Hans over other ethnicities and heavily censors such that no one knows what’s going on outside their bubble, wouldn’t it make sense that the 90% that are being treated well would also be supportive of the government?
If
If my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike.
[1]The current government explicitly does not favor Hans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_China
Yeah, if. That’s why I ask. I’m not familiar with the way things work there, and based on this headline, I thought it was a reasonable hypothesis.
to be fair the social credit score as it is imagined by westerners with AIs tracking your every move to make a number go up or down that determines your standing in society is fiction. What does exist are two separate systems; one for creditworthiness like all creditworthiness systems around the world and another system that leaves you on a blacklist if you intentionally don’t pay off your debts. that system can actually prevent you from taking high speed rail (among other things i can’t remember), and some people who are not very aware of the world may have gotten into debt, didn’t notice, didn’t pay their debts, got blacklisted and only noticed when they tried to take the high speed rail somewhere.
to be fair to critics of china too, this (meaning this lemmy post and other political persecution up to possible genocide) is absolutely terrible and inexcusable. i sincerely detest nationalism, but that’s what the ccp leadership wants, using many means, and I can’t square that circle.
I’m sure the blacklisting system has been abused before too. i just don’t interact a lot with chinese news and the chinese internet, and i might not even be able to check if i did try. i know there was that boxer who beat up martial artists who was on the blacklist system, but I don’t know if that was from debt or from persecution. i know the general media vibe here in the west was persecution, but there’s no way I’m going to trust vibes about that.
the social credit score as it is imagined by westerners with AIs tracking your every move to make a number go up or down that determines your standing in society is fiction.
No, it isn’t fiction. It is real.
Every Chinese citizen gets a score, to which points are added or deducted depending on individual everyday actions.
The system rewards citizens based on their accumulated “score,” which basically reflects their alignment with state-approved values. A high score grants valuable incentives and preferential access to public services. For example, citizens with good credit may be exempt from paying deposits when using public hospitals or libraries, receive discounts on public transportation, and benefit from streamlined processes for certain international visas. Conversely, acts like running a red light or jaywalking can result in public shaming and a loss of points.
Based on this social credit system, the Chinese population is divided into 4 classes of citizens, depending on your score.
There is a documentary by a French journalist and his (Chinese) wife who were living in China’s capital Beijing. The documentary has been made in 2023, but there is an edited version from 2025 (I watched the film back in 2023 and also the 2025 version; as far as I remember, the 2025 edits reflect the role of AI in the system).
Here is a YT link: Life Under China’s Social Credit System: A Dystopian Reality?
Here an alternative Invidious link: https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=p19nYrjZ1dQ
The documentary lasts 52 minutes.
[Edit typo.]
I just read more about it, specifically here: https://thechinaproject.com/2022/02/03/how-chinas-laws-and-social-credit-system-actually-work-explained-by-jeremy-daum/ from 2022, and it seems at the time there were pilot projects to do something like a real social credit score system.
What it really is, is sort of a regulatory credit check system. It’s primarily aimed at businesses, not at individuals. And social credit is pretty routinely defined as a measure of people’s compliance with laws and legal obligations. So, it’s not a holistic measure of all your behavior. It’s not an algorithmic formulation based on what you did online, what you bought, who your friends are, what you said, what you posted about. It measures whether or not you’ve received administrative punishments, criminal punishments, whether you’ve applied for permits, or a registered a business, things like this.
So, most of the information going into it is what they call public credit information, which is information created or collected by the government in the course of its normal business. So that’s to say that the creation of the idea of the Social Credit System didn’t involve collecting much more information.
What it did involve was sharing information between regulatory agencies, and they’re now making it so that if you violated say a food safety law… In the past, you might… The food safety regulators would know that that had happened, but it’s now available for the public to see in most cases. And also, other regulatory agencies will see this.
What I strongly disagree with though is the dramatized and biased view your video approaches the topic with. Analyzing these things should be sober, not like that. I couldn’t watch past the first few seconds. “Do we have no privacy? (in response to filming themselves for a year) We don’t have any anyway (to point out the evil state monitoring their every move)”
Watch the documentary. Each individual gets a score, and this score changes depending on your behaviour and the everyday decision you make - what you drink you buy, what food you eat. Whatever the party deems as desired or undesired behaviour, the score is increased or decreased.
You cant even accurately track this much data without sensors, cameras, and APIs shoved into literally every corner of everywhere. This is impossible to do based on a general “every action.”
Watch the documentary. The state observes any move you make.
I will probably do that. But do you realize that the first app she opens isn’t from the state? It’s sesame credit from alibaba/alipay. It’s a private bonus credit thing/loyalty program from a private company. It has nothing to do with the state. If you go on a shopping spree in their apps then your credit rises and you may get a few gifts.
Dude, each single app she has on her phone is from a private company. The state doesn’t even have an app, and it doesn’t need one.
To paraphrase what the documentary says: The private companies are creating the apps, but the Chinese party-state makes the recipes. And the state has access to every single piece of information. The state decides what happens with the data, and what ‘features’ are added. The party gets what it wants.
That’s what the documentary explains explicitly.
It’s an Orwellian nightmare.
It depends how people are asked imo. Most such surveys are done on Chinese social media or in similar surveys where individual answers can be tracked. According to polls done in China, the vast majority of citizens also agree that China is a good democracy and that they trust their government.
But what else would people say? Openly disagreeing with the government can put you in big trouble in China. It’s basically a choice between being supportive of what the government does or risking to simply disappear.
Just admit you don’t think Asians can think for themselves. Just say you know how the Chinese feel better than they know themselves.
This is just straight up lying. Anonymous polls conducted by Western sources have found the same thing.
the UK and Australian Governments imprison climate change protestors for years…
it’s intrinsic in all governments to be authoritarian, they own the monopoly on violence
Well, this article certainly doesn’t prove anything. It’s 100% baseless speculation.
What “proof” would you believe?
it was either illegal or legal to teach those kids that ‘forbidden’ language. I don’t really care about what an unnamed source believes the law to be. It’s not like you can’t just look laws up or ask officials for comment.
No smoke, no fire.
Well, to start with, something more credible than “sources indicate” lmao. Y’all really just believe anything bad about China no matter how flimsy it is.
The man’s been missing for the last 5 years, after Chinese authorities arrested him. That’s confirmed by his family…not “unnamed sources”. So, either this report is true, and he’s been in prison the whole time…or those Chinese authorities killed him.
Which scenario do you consider more credible? Because those are the only ones that explain his absence. Up until recently, his family assumed the latter.
The man’s been missing for the last 5 years, after Chinese authorities arrested him. That’s confirmed by his family…not “unnamed sources”.
This source doesn’t even claim he’s been “missing.”
So, either this report is true, and he’s been in prison the whole time…or those Chinese authorities killed him.
I swear, you don’t even need propaganda to make up lies to tell you, you’ll just invent the lies yourself based on nothing. Absolutely ridiculous.
Oh, ok. So, you’re just one of those lazy disbelievers, that doesn’t even bother to look into anything before dismissing it, out-of-hand? Cool. I guess it’s easier to have an uninformed opinion than it is to use Google?
I’ll do your homework for you this time, but after this, you’re going to have to start helping yourself. Or, you can just continue to make yourself look ignorant online. It’s really up to you.
Why would the Chinese state “disappear” someone for teaching Tibetan when the same Chinese state funds public schools to teach Tibetan, just as it does for Cantonese, Uyghur, and many other regional languages?
What’s very convenient for telling us these stories is that we live far away from China and can’t read or understand any of those languages, so we’ve got nothing to go on but what our governments, corporations, and NGOs tell us. Getting information any other way requires significant time & effort, which few can afford and even fewer are inclined to do thanks to more than a century of anticommunist propaganda.
The next convenient, orthodox excuse that’s reliably used is that it’s impossible to investigate because China is wily, secretive, and duplicitous. Another non-falsifiable claim that panders to preconceptions planted by a lifetime of anticommunist propaganda.
Who’s going to investigate whether this person actually was “disappeared” for decades? Who has the time & resources to verify every such story, when the imperial core has the resources to crank out dozens of slop stories every day, which @Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org and his “friends” dutifully post every day?
“Lazy disbelievers” lmao what? That’s called reasonable skepticism. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. If you understood and practiced that, maybe you wouldn’t be so gullible and succeptable to propaganda.
I’ll do your homework for you this time, but after this, you’re going to have to start helping yourself
No, you’ll do your homework, since you’re the one making the claim. I don’t have to go out and find every claim that’s ever been made about Bigfoot before I’m allowed to disbelieve in him.
Note also that what I said was "this source doesn’t even claim he’s been ‘missing,’" which is true. I never said that was no source out there that claimed that.
I believe anything bad about most countries because it’s a pretty safe default.
That’s the goal: to convince us that, as Margaret Thatcher told us, there is no alternative to capitalism.
I don’t believe claims made without evidence because it’s an even safer default.
Destruction of culture.
AKA cultural genocide.
theocrat slaver culture*
That’s what it is. It is the purposeful drive to homogenize Chinese empire under Han culture and language and erase the existence of other races their culture identity and history.
Today they kill Tibetan Language, tomorrow they’ll kill Cantonese Language (I mean they are already trying to kill it right now), My Native Language
Have you met anyone from China who doesn’t speak their native language in addition to mando?
The Chinese I asked about it seemed more concerned they could hardly understand the accent in other areas, which IDK whether to interpret as they didn’t care an integral part of their cultures was eroding or they were saying these people barely speak mandarin, obv they aren’t losing their native language.
Hello. I’m noticing at least 3 people don’t like your opinion. Does that mean your written and spoken words are irrelevant and it’s alright to erase them?
Some people like jerking off to the idea that China is full of mustache-twirling villains who do endless evil for absolutely no reason. Look at OP’s post history for example, averaging >10 anti-china posts per day for over a year. If you don’t want anyone’s logic or experience having lived in China to potentially get in the way of that, you’re best off blocking me.
China’s nationalistic tendencies and unification policies are its official stance. Its own government has admitted that some officials are overzealous in their pursuit for Han culture dominance. And they do little, if anything at all to curb these abuses, officially.
Ignorance is not logic. It’s bias.
China’s nationalistic tendencies and unification policies are its official stance. Its own government has admitted that some officials are overzealous in their pursuit for Han culture dominance
True, and I’ve noticed some underlying views in my conversations with Chinese people, but I’m still 99% sure this is made up given the source.
And they do little, if anything at all to curb these abuses, officially.
They have officially put minority rights into their constitution and leave Tibet significant autonomy. I’ve never been to Tibet so I can’t speak towards the specifics of how it’s implemented, but I doubt anyone here can either.
Ignorance is not logic. It’s bias.
The comment I’m getting downvoted for is asking the only other person in this thread with direct experience to share their relevant experience. Who exactly are you calling ignorant, the person who has lived in China or the people whom uncritically accept hostile evidence?
I’m calling ignorant those who ignore or downplay the harm caused due to whatever reasons, regardless of affiliation. Doesn’t matter who, doesn’t matter why, those who suffer unjustly deserve their recognition.
Is it downplaying or ignoring harm to ask the other person who has experience “Hey does this match what you’ve observed? Can you help me contextualize my observations?”
Cantonese is more
expressiveeconomic than Mandarin.In Mandarin, the ‘Shīshì shí shī shǐ’ poem is incomprehensible when read aloud, since only four syllables cover all the words of the poem. The poem is somewhat more comprehensible when read in other varieties such as Cantonese, in which it has 18 different syllables accounting for tone differences, or Hokkien, in which it has 15 different syllables.
So Mandarin is the worst branch of the Chinese languages to simp for.
I don’t think having more distinct sounds makes a language more expressive.
Mandarin has to use two syllabel words.
Cantonese often times can use one syllabel words due to it having more unique combination of initials+finals + more tones
Example:
Chair: 櫈 vs 椅子
Clothes: 衫 vs 衣服
Shoes: 鞋 vs 鞋子
Table: 枱 vs 桌子
Ruler: 尺 vs 尺子Any linguist would dismiss this. The same argument could be made for say Catalan vs Castilian, or French vs Italian, but fewer syllables don’t equate to more expressiveness.
Perhaps ‘economic’ is the correct word. More expressive per unit of speech.
Toki pona is interesting conceptually, but in practice I wouldn’t want to have to resort to eight-word compounds all the time.
Toki Pona is an exception. It’s an engineered language designed for ease of learning at the expense of expressiveness. It’s intended as a bridge language for basic communication when no one knows each others’ languages.
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It’s sad that the government is trying to destroy the aspects of Tibet that make it unique.
It is called cultural genocide
Sources indicate that the primary reason for his detention was his efforts to teach the Tibetan language to more than 300 local children during school holidays. The classes were reportedly organized for young students from nearby communities who wished to learn Tibetan reading and writing. Chinese authorities are believed to have deemed these voluntary language lessons illegal.
Lmao y’all are incapable of critical thought.
My sources indicate that gullible is written on the ceiling.
Tankietard being tankietarded.
Go die on the front lines for your leader, cunt.
Go die on the front lines for your leader
I would, but China isn’t fighting any wars right now, and hasn’t ever been in my lifetime.
I guess the ongoing soft genocide of Tibetan culture, Uyghur culture, freedom in Hong Kong, too numerous political disappearances, and so on, just aren’t concerning enough, huh?
The thing that separates a “tankie” from a liberal is that it literally doesn’t matter to us how severe of a claim you make if it isn’t backed up by anything. In fact, the more extreme the claim is, the more skeptical you should be. But for liberals, all that matters is whether you’ve committed the sin of “genocide denial,” regardless of how little evidence the claims of “genocide” actually have. You don’t even care to investigate the claims at all, because if you did you’d see that they’re baseless. But it’s that very idea that claims about “bad” countries should be subject to any kind scrutiny that liberals are outraged by.
So many assumptions in one reply. Truly impressive.
Fewer assumptions than there were in yours.
Nu-uh. U.
independent radio station
Voice of Tibet
It receives funds from the United States National Endowment for Democracy
Yeah no, they’re just making shit up lmao.
🤣🤣👌👍
Literally the only source for this is from known CIA fronts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_Tibet_(Norway)?wprov=sfla1
