A federal judge in West Virginia has given the Trump administration an ultimatum: Stop illegally detaining immigrants or face contempt rulings and “monetary sanctions against responsible officials.”
“Today, the Government continues to wrongfully detain those petitioners without due process,” [Goodwin’s] opinion reads. “Even now the Government incredulously asserts that the federal district courts do not have jurisdiction, that petitioners cannot raise due process violations, and that the Government has authority to mandatorily and indefinitely detain noncitizens in the local jail. The Government is wrong. Judges in this district have said that over and over and over again. I have said it myself.”
Stop fucking saying it’s going to happen and just do it you assholes.
JAIL TIME! WE WANT JAIL TIME!!! LIFE IN PRISON!!
Can you email judges? If so email this fucking judge and all judges and reps.
ya sure… when
Like that’s going to do jack shit. You don’t stop the secret police with sanctions.
Make it arrests and potentially executions for the egregious extremity of the nature of misuse of state power against citizens, and something might actually change. Nothing else resonates with this regime, clearly, why would they stop now?
This is one year overdue. Just fucking do it!!!
Courts mean nothing if no one enforces their rulings.
Judge: “Police, I demand you arrest these police!”
Oooh! The strongly worded letters are getting even more strongly worded!
Is this better or worse than a “slam”? What about a “blast”?
“Politician Ignites Explosive Firestorm With Routine Decision as Critics Slam Controversial Move, Outrage Erupts Nationwide, Panic Surges Over Alleged Hidden Agenda and Demands for Answers Detonate Across a Shocked Public”
Translation:
“A politician carried out a routine administrative action. A small number of opponents criticized the choice publicly. Some people posted complaints online. Nothing about the situation indicates any misconduct.”
quit warning and do!
‘Monetary Sanctions’
Fuck you; ISSUE ARREST WARRANTS YOU SPINELESS CUNT
You can only issue arrest warrants for criminal contempt, meaning Trump can just issue a pardon. Civil contempt isn’t subject to the pardon power.
And the people to issue the contempt judgements against aren’t Trump and team. They need to issue them to the foot soldiers. It sounds weak, but it’s effective.
I work in in the development department of a very small municipality that’s an enclave for the mega-rich. Literally 100% of households are at least multi-millionaires. The average new house being built is about 8 million dollars. That means that when we Rey tonfine homeowners for illegal shit, it means nothing because they can just write a check if they don’t want to comply.
So we’ve recently changed tactics on code enforcement. We start by telling them to stop and issuing a citation to the owners, but when they don’t we fine the individual workers on site and if things aren’tcleaned up we start to cite them each $500/day until they start to comply. It didn’t take long until the rich assholes couldn’t find workers willing to do their bidding.
…ok? And therefore what?
hilarious that they pay the fine to get the thing but won’t pay someone else’s smaller fine to get the thing out of sheer moneybrain
So instead of something like proportional fines related to the value of the properties, you’ve fucked over the working class for violations that they didn’t commit, didn’t know about, and likely had no control over? Do you have any idea what an unexpected $500, $1000, or $1500 bill can do to a family that is struggling? Are these fines even legal? What types of violations by the rich are the working class being made to pay for? Do you also send warnings to the workers before taking their money, or do the owners get a warning and you just hope they tell everyone else? I find this little story completely abhorrent and I hope some of these workers sue your organization and get their money back.
The people we’re talking about have billions and we can only legally charge them a few thousand. We can’t cut off the money spigot, so we cut off the supply of workers willing to work for them.
And the workers that get fined are the ones still performing the work after we’ve issued a verbal and written stop-work order and cited the owners. And it’s not like we just put something in the mail - we discover the work by driving by, seeing the workers on site, and speaking with them directly and telling them to stop. Our code enforcement people don’t cite the individual workers until their third trip to the site in which they’re told to stop. Hell - if they stopped when we first asked we wouldn’t even know who to cite if we wanted.
Most of the time, they stop without being cited and work with us on permitting and remediation. We end up having to go after the contractors for violation of a SWO about 1% of the time (though we’ll also cite them for other things like wrenching through public utilities in the ROW more often). And in those cases it’s almost always the contractors who lie and either tell the owners a permit isn’t needed or that they already have one. The last time we did it they had actually printed out a forged permit placard.
And that 1% that repeatedly refuses to follow the rules gets to go to court and explain their side to the judge, where the reality is they’ll probably have the daily fine dismissed and only pay the initial $500 or whatever if they start to cooperate.
You can tell the trully advanced countries from the backwards ones by them having fines which are proportional to income/wealth rather than fixed.
The only ones I know which are the former are in Scandinavia.
The UK theoretically also has that for Court fines (it’s in the conviction guidance, which means it’s optional), but in practice not really.
This happens all the time even on the federal level. My company just ate a several thousand $ fine because we were working on a site where the plumbers didn’t mark an open pit while plumbing a mop sink. We were the HVAC contractors working on the roof. We were not even working in the same area and had no way of knowing what the plumbers were doing. OSHA didn’t care. Every company who was working the job got hit with a fine for continuing work on an unsafe site. It’s complete bullshit but, at the same time, everyone onsite is going to think twice about ever working with those plumbers again. So even though it’s complete and utter shit, it is probably the most effective tool at their disposal with current laws.
You think a municipality can issue proportional fines just because it wants to? They don’t write the laws.
Fines are more civil and not subject to pardon.
Oh ok. Then yeah we should probably just bend over.
Wait, you don’t mean ‘civil’ as in polite, right?
State criminal charges are not subject to federal pardons either.
This is a federal judge, can she rule on state charges?
Isn’t there more to it than that because these are federal agents? Asking.
Depending on circumstances, federal agents can be charged with state crimes.
Who gives a fuck about showing the Nazis civility? Punch them in the dicks and take their shit
I think they meant civil versus criminal rather than nice vs mean.
I think you’re both right.
Fair enough. That isn’t how I interpreted the comment but you could be right
Yes
But, we’re paying them
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Even so, it won’t be enforced.
Wow, a fine! That’ll surely teach Trump that fascism isn’t welcome! Perhaps attach a strongly worded letter to the payment order, too!
It’ll come on very serious looking letterhead! Don’t make the course bust out the bigger stamp, it’ll use anton of ink and be very scary.
The Trump admin are shaking in their boots at this FINAL NOTICE. They better watch their step or they might be getting a FINAL FINAL NOTICE next!
Final-final-for-real-FINAL-USETHISONE-5.docx
Perfect.
Watch out guys. i think they mean it this time. For really really real. Not kidding around any more.
