They will still deny it for that sweet Zionist shekel.
What a “scoop!” /s
I thought it said Snoop at first
The tactic the Dems have been using since I was able to vote has been “We’re not AS bad as them so vote for us” and it worked for a short time. This just shows they’re the same side of the same coin to me, just different in text.
Of course. It’s Gaza that cost her votes and not how she’s a corporate puppet just looking out for her donors.
I mean her corporate donors support the genocide so not mutually exclusive
Dems were to chickenshit to investigate the voter machines that were rigged by musk, and other gop alighned entities, they are totally complicit in the current regime, if its not obvious. both gop and dnc, were unlikely to back out of israeli AID, too much money politics involved.
Someone repost to c/Politics and c/PoliticalMemes and watch the ensuing garbage tornado of denial
Gladly. They’ll just justify it until they remove anyone who thinks murder is bad.
Its hilarious that they say this is a “secret” finding. Any child over the age of 5 could have told them this 15 months ago.
We needed a report to tell us that? Well, maybe the DNC did. Everyone else kinda always thought supporting genocide was a shit idea and a bad way to win an election.
It’s a hard pill to swallow that people who claim to care about war would choose more war over less war. It’s basically a report that says “6 million people couldn’t pass a third grade level competency test with months of prep time”.
“Less war” like what we saw happening in Gaza between October '23 and January '25? You make this claim as if we can’t examine the very recent past when her predecessor and former running mate was in charge and should instead rely on feelings and faith to convince ourselves that the thing we watched happen under a Democratic leadership for 15 months would never happen under a Democratic leadership.
Yes, less war like when Biden refused to hand over weapons payed for by Israel which Trump later bragged about delivering. Less war like the official stance being negotiating ceasefire, putting forward UN Ceasefire Resolutions which rely on release of hostages, as opposed to Pete Hegseth Secretary of War saying Death or Exodus for every Palestinian. Less war like building an aid flotilla and distributing food, as opposed to all aid trucks being paused for months at the start of the Trump admin.
Biden was incompetent about dealing with despots like Netanyahu, but Trump wants to kill every Palestinian.
Biden was like please do not use those 2000lb bomb just use more smaller bombs to do the same level of destruction
This is full of half truths and outright falsification. Biden delayed a single shipment of weapons. “Official stances” mean nothing as the slaughter continued unabated. The aid flotilla cost $200 million to build and only delivered a few trucks worth of food before falling apart.
Do you really have that big of a hard-on for Biden and Harris that you’d help whitewash their participation in all this? Can you explain exactly what it is you get out of doing that?
Imagine if you used all that energy to help rid the party of these god awful human beings that wouldn’t think twice about doing the same thing to you if it helped their chances at get just a little bit more power. Instead you use that energy to craft a false reality in order to protect two proven losers and their ilk.
Even if you believed that both sides were equal on the topic of Gaza, against all evidence, then you would still be an idiot to allow the Trump admin back for every other issue in which the parties differ.
- Hamid Bendaas, a spokesperson for the IMEU Policy Project, said that during the meeting “the DNC shared with us that their own data also found that policy was, in their words, a ‘net-negative’ in the 2024 election.” Two other senior aides at the pro-Palestinian organization also said the DNC had drawn that conclusion.
- Axios independently verified that Democratic officials conducting the autopsy believed the issue harmed the party’s standing with some voters.
The intrigue: The IMEU Policy Project is now accusing the DNC of withholding its report in part because of its findings on Israel.
- DNC spokesperson Kendall Witmer denied that.
- When DNC officials announced last year that they wouldn’t release the audit, they said it was because they didn’t want the report to distract from the work of winning elections.
Remember this the next time someone tries to lecture you on why your primary candidate is simply unelectable.
Is this a quote from the article? Because if so it’s AI slop
To be fair, Axios always had this writing style.
Yeah but thats a pretty AI specific framing.
I mean, they could have checked out any online leftist space for about a year before the election. God knows I had to leave practically all of them because I was sick to death of all the “I’m not voting for Kamala over Gaza” comments. Note that I’m not American before you lecture me over who I should or shouldn’t have voted for.
Maybe they thought it was all bluster and that leftists wouldn’t actually be that stupid, but apparently we are.
Yes. Trump was so much the better solution wasnt he. /s
Many of them still seem to be quite proud of their idiotic and childish foot-stamping, too.
And you’re still proud of supporting mass murder because the other side also does it. Demand better.
The time to demand better is literally any other time than when you get to choose between fetid neoliberalism and full throated fascism. The fact that the DNC fucked us all by, among other things, not having a primary doesn’t change the fact that Harris would have been preferable, even though she sucks.
I’ve been told by someone in a similar moral position you can’t criticize Democrats during the election then afterwards because they’re building up to the next one. Make that make sense.
That is, pardon my language, fucking stupid. We do deserve better from the Democrats, my only stance here is if it keeps someone from voting in the general election they’re cutting off their nose to spite their face.
It is, but it’s not an isolated case. There’s supporters who pretty much hold the Dems on a pedestal and will shout you down to make you not want to vote for them.
Idk what you want from me. I don’t like those people, I’m just really tired of living in fascism and don’t like the idea of revolution. Not accusing you of doing this here but the flip side of this is that people in these discussions tend to treat me like I’m the king of the Democrats and am personally responsible for them running shitty candidates. Unfortunately I’m just some guy who thinks you have to play it as it lies. Like, in the context of a general election, where you actually do have two defined choices, what does “demanding better” actually mean? I can see I’m rambling now so I’m gonna stop. I gotta go to work anyway but this shit is just so frustrating to me.
Demand better instead of making excuses. I voted for her, I hated it but I did. Sorry I didn’t Vote Blue No Matter Who hard enough to make her weak campaign actually have a chance to win.
If you didnt vote you supported mass murder also. And the complete obliteration and sale of all palestinian land to the highest bidder. Be better
Harris was going to let israel completely destroy the strip. Israel was really close to do it.
This happen during Biden
70% of all structures in Gaza were damaged or destroyed 92% of all housing units destroyed or damaged 88% of school buildings were damaged or destroyed 80% of key water, sanitation, and hygiene (WASH) facilities Only 16 out of 36 hospitals were partially functioning, facing critical shortages of fuel, medicine, and clean water. 75% of agricultural land, including orchards and greenhouses, was damaged or destroyed
I did. I voted for Clinton, Biden, Harris in California. Your move.
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Well let that be a lesson for the world leftists : you can’t ignore Gaza. Sudan, Yemen, atrocious wars and armies terrorism on population, they aren’t less or more important. But Gaza is colonialism at its worst : modern, sponsored, lying, covering-up, and so on. You can’t stand for humanism if you don’t support the Gazan people, or if you sell weapons, send cheers or do not step up against netanyahu’s government
Whether it’s missing the courage, being blackmailed or bribed, or hand-tied because of past-accointances but Kamala never did the right thing for the Palestinian people, and beside the fate of Gazan, the price to pay for such inaction is the world’s rapid rise of a renewed, more strenghtful, and shameless fascism.
I thought it was moron voters who couldn’t see that yes - things can get a lot fucking worse.
I’m glad that the alternate US president has been so great to Palestine. Gaza is saved. /s
70% of all structures in Gaza were damaged or destroyed 92% of all housing units destroyed or damaged 88% of school buildings were damaged or destroyed 80% of key water, sanitation, and hygiene (WASH) facilities Only 16 out of 36 hospitals were partially functioning, facing critical shortages of fuel, medicine, and clean water. 75% of agricultural land, including orchards and greenhouses, was damaged or destroyed
This was during Biden
“Vote for us, we’re not AS bad as the other guys!”
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Liberals are determined to learn fucking nothing
Why learn when you can lose elections and pretend you did all you could?
What were they supposed to have learned from everyone losing by installing Donvict?
Maybe a good campaign and following your promises? Just a hunch to be popular in a popularity contest.
Maybe a platform that helps actual people that doesn’t agree with a genocidal country. Instead of just saying “We aren’t as bad as the other guy” like it’s some vast gulf of difference. You need to realize that Dems are paid and support people who are also highly fascist. We need people to stand up to those with wealth instead of being subservient to them.
To not support genocide and to actually offer a serious alternative to capitalism and fascism.
The DNC would rather kill brown people than tax the rich.
Look what they did to Madami who was just running as a mayoral candidate. Truth be told being mayor of New York City is like being governor of most fly over states but still, the point remains, when a socialist and progress is on the horizon, they’ll let the other side win to prevent it.
Politics isnt somethung you can sit out. You either voted against trump or for him. There were no other votes to cast. If you didnt vote you cast you ballot for him.
Both side voted for genocide. Palestinians do not give a damn about your shitty country, your shitty political system and your shitty excuses
Hey look it’s one of the people who threw the election to the fascists
Support open fascists or just corporate fascists who say things nicely? Hrm…
Don’t you understand?! It’s the color of jersey that matters. Blue jerseys means I get to wash my hands of the sins of the nation.
Yeah, I compromised my morals and beliefs for her. I feel disgusting for doing so. Never again, the Dems have to WIN my vote, it’s not guaranteed anymore.
Never again, the Dems have to WIN my vote,
Here’s another way to think about it. If the Democrats come over and win your vote (as a political advocate/ under-stander/ explainer), if the Democrats can convince you, there are 2-3 other voters who aren’t as politically literate who are also going to be convinced.
Well, they are defending a genocider…
Given these options
- I want Trump to win
- I want Trump to lose
- Either way is fine
Which of these is supporting fascists, and which did you choose?
Itt: people who don’t understand the difference between individual behavior and collective action.
1 and 3 support fascism.
2 also supports fascism in this context
