• peeonyou [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    I’m a dumb cracker from the US so when I learned that my neighbor and her husband are from Argentina I mentioned that it was sad about Milei being president and whatnot. She took offense to that and basically told me I’m an idiot because Milei is fixing Argentina and life is improving there every day thanks to him. My shock surely was visible, but I let it go. After all I’m just a cracker from the US and she is from Argentina. She made sure to reiterate that point to me to make sure I was aware how dumb I sound when I say such things.

    That was about a year ago or so. I hesitate to bring it up again but I think the next time we run into her again I’m going to ask and see how things started vs how things are going now.

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      Gorillas (in Argentina, the term “gorilla” is a derogatory political label used to refer to anyone who strongly opposes Peronism, which often implies that they are conservative, anti-populist, or reactionary. Originating from a 1955 radio sketch, it was adopted to describe civilians or military personnel who conspired against President Juan Domingo Perón)/Gusanos are really stupid and reactionary.

      If you say anything bad about Macri or Milei’s goverment, they will say that it is somehow the fault of Cristina Kirchner, Néstor, or Perón, even though Perón and Néstor have been dead for decades. They cannot admit that 99% of Argentina’s problems are the fault of the reactionary elite in Buenos Aires, who hate everyone in the country (they hate the fact they were born in Latin America, and hates Latin American culture, and does everything possible to be like the US, they have been like that since the 1870s) and want Argentina to be a colony of the West, as long as the elite remain intact.

      Argentinian society is full of problems (refusal to recognize the afro-argentinian culture or even debate it, the genocide against the native americans), but somehow the ones who live outside of Argentina are even more reactionary.

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      There’s a high chance that any expat you meet in the US is a reactionary or has heavily bought into the US state department’s line

      Was working with a client who moved from Mexico last fall. Why did she move? Because of the “crazy government.”

      • i hate how true this is in my experience. its made me default dubious of immigrants to the US (from anywhere) that come here by choice as educated professionals to build a life.

        i can totally appreciate and respect the calculus of coming here for some sponsored education/formal training or to extract some $USD salary and transmit it back as a remittance. or just escaping a fucked situation and the US was the first option out.

        but the people who come here to be all “entrepreneurial” and shit… total cheap labor and natural resource exploiters, so far.

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          Once upon a time there were genuine proletarian immigrants looking to work towards a better future for themselves and their family. But now, most immigrants to western countries are bourgeois and are already rich and just want to cash in on the big bubble before it bursts. In Canada, they overwhelmingly come here just to become slumlords. Cramming 10+ international students…People from the same place as them in some cases… into 2 bedroom “apartments” (most are just loosely repurposed house basements).

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            Ikea bunk beds can really pack 'em in. I used to wonder why slumlords were slumlords then I read an expose on illegal slumlords in Guangzhou renting to foreigners. Turns out, when you have one tenant you can only get so much. But ten tenants pay a LOT more in rent. They were all convicted years ago and reducated through labor. Last I heard they were having the same problem with landlords in Yiwu from what I heard.

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        Expats and immigrants are different.
        Expatriates go to another country for work. They go back home when their contract finishes. Immigrants stay in the new country permanently. Expats work for oil companies in Qatar and as English teachers in China. Expats are always transient populations. They’ll do things like sell their entire home furnishings at once to new expats so you’ve got everything: blender, oven, cardboard Ikea furniture, the whole deal.

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      “Fixing” for gusanos meaning dialing up the exploitation in their home country up by 11 so they can benefit from the comfort of the imperial core. They know they won’t be the ones affected by the far-right governments they sing the praises of

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      She is a gusana. To make her feel at home you can call her “tilinga”, “gorila”, “cipaya”, or simply dipshit.

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      tbh lots of people from argentina are also crackers that fled there literally because they were nazis trying to escape sentencing. your neighbor, of course supports this government because she’s wealthy enough to move to the US. they were probably business owners in argentina and salivate at the idea that workers can now be exploited there to the same degree they are here in the states

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        while they’re doing pretty damn well for themselves here, they’ve been here 20+ years and they’re terrified of what is going on here because of citizenship reasons, but somehow they think Milei is doing a bangup job back home.

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      Argentina and supports the far right.
      Hmmm…weren’t there tons of Nazis who fled there after Stalin crushed them? Ask where her grandparents are from. I learned to ask this in China because people are so mixed around and you can’t tell who’s a local or not except by accent.

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      I mean, in some ways it helped initially. It’s true that inflation needed to be dramatically curbed, and austerity & currency devaluation helped with that (while massively spiking poverty rates). Inflation is now largely under control, which is great, and they avoided dollarization while largely aligning the exchange rate with the black market “blue” rate. It’s a problem that spending couldn’t solve, and it made sense to try to make Argentina a more competitive exporter, etc. etc.

      BUT many of the changes he made could have (in my view: will have) seriously negative long-term effects: mass privitization of public sector agencies/programs, destroying unions and pro-worker regulations, massive deregulation, and elimating the country’s ability to regulate business in the future, massively increased wealth inequality. Also, massive currency devaluation could cause an affordability crisis in Argentina, and paradoxically higher inflation or even an inflationary spiral.

      Also, the things that worked to curb inflation will only continue to work if their economy keeps growing, spending stays responsible, they maintain a fiscal surplus, etc. So far, that hasn’t been the case - they had to rely on a massive US bailout (IMF + currency swap), poverty has remained high, and the long-term outlook for working-class Argentinians is extremely tenuous.

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          I think Milei is a true believer. He’s devoted his life to the study of ridiculous AnCap economics. I think he thinks that making his & his buddies’ wallets fatter is how you fix the Argentinian economy. He’s wrong and stupid, but I think he’s good faith.

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            I think he is a “true believer” in the sense that he thinks making his & his buddies’ wallets fatter is his god-given right. I don’t think he believes it will help the average Argentinian.

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    Oh jeez who would have thought that gutting public worker protections would create no precedent on the way every other worker would be treater? Certainly not the online us left