Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
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Please add chess.com → lichess
Every day is a good day to switch
It’s honestly bonkers to have a community hosted on Lemmy this hostile to Lemmy as software and the developers.
Because so many keep getting told it’s by tankies and stop thinking immediately after that
Are you referring to !fediverse@lemmy.world? This wasn’t posted by the mods.
This comm is often full of comments pushing lemmy alternatives, with PieFed being the new frontrunner.
You’d think the post here would include Lemmy, which I believe is still the most active platform
Deb’s a tankie with the most bullshit oppinions ever seen on earth.
Not true.
Who is deb?
Developer
:3
I’ve been using lemmy.world with the boost app. Should I look into piefed? Am I missing anything? I mean I’m happy with what I got, but is the grass any greener?
There’s been some controversy recently about censorship hardcoded into Piefed’s backend. Basically it gives people a “social credit score” based on how they post.
Yuck. Do you have any evidence?
Here’s the writeup about it, going around
So it basically is a worse version of Reddit’s karma.
Essentially, yes. And maybe that’s part of why people jumping from reddit like it so much, but personally, I don’t think the things like this that Piefied is doing are good for the fediverse ecosystem
Thanks. Disgusting
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It has a lot of cool features, I’m almost tempted to switch but am waiting on the app I use to finish supporting it first.
I’m having troubld findinv good peertube instances, anyone have any recs?
That’s because there aren’t any, at least none that could even remotely compete with YouTube.
can anyone eli5 what the difference is from piefed to lemmy? i have a lemmy account, do i have a use for a piefed accnt too?
To me. It’s the same thing but PieFed has better UX and more featues.
Which one you pick is for the most part irrelevant.
thanks for the input. im gonna chekc out piefed
PieFed has flair and topics, which make it easier to find content you like.
oh cool. thanks for the info :3
Its up to you. They are different software but both read lemmy and Piefed communities and instances.
ok thanks. sorry someone downvoted you
“But if you have a shitty attitude stay where you are”
I am unreasonably angry about the stretched icons.
Hey, hey you.
Get some.
Much better!
It makes it look like a shitpost at a glance lol
I’ll join you. 😡
Fair point,
I omitted Facebook in my image because fuck that kind of social media (my opinion)
I picked PieFed over Lemmy because UX is everything and currently PieFed has much better UX.
Maybe add Matrix as a Discord alternative?
The Element application is solid now. Still I think it’d be a rough transition for most discord users. But more users probably means more potential for developer interest
Revolt (now known as Stoat) isn’t federated though.
Is there a federated version, either in the works or planned? Because otherwise, Stoat is the only option.
Roomy says they plan to integrate federation in the future, though it doesn’t have it now.
Yes
Matrix
Matrix just isn’t up to it. It doesn’t feel like Discord at all. It hasn’t taken off in any meaningful way.
None of those really “feel like” the things they’re replacing. I don’t really even think that should be the goal. They occupy the same space, though, and the infographic would look stupid if it showed all the options in some category, so they just picked a popular proprietary/centralized one, and a popular federated alternative in the same category. In this case discord is a popular chat app, and the most popular federa chat app afaict is matrix.
True, Matrix is going to win currently by default of there being no other alternative, but it just isn’t being used in the way Discord is even if you assume a smaller scale.
No.
Other alternatives are Root, not federated.
There’s also Roomy in development which is federated, and will tie into Bluesky.
Links?
Thank you.
Well damn, I need to update the pic I guess. I didn’t make it, just saved it some months ago
Also, to avoid doing unpaid labour for Jeff Bezos, go from Goodreads to Bookwyrm!
Bookwyrm is cool, it just needs more attention and interaction. It would be cool if it could expand into other forms of media (games, movies) like NeoDB, which again feels like posting into the void.
I’m a little behind on this, what does goodreads have to do with bezos?
In 2013 Goodreads was sold to Amazon 😭
As pointed out, Goodreads has been owned by Amazon for a good while. And they also own slices of some other similar book sites (LibraryThing, for example, and some other site that was merged into Goodreads).
Nice suggestion. I didn’t know this was a thing. :)
Should be Lemmy over piefed.
I’ve seen the Reddit users be more receptive of PieFed over Lemmy. In a post suggesting Lemmy, the Reddit users will just comment that it looks ugly, it’s confusing, devs are tankies, etc. Posts suggesting PieFed get less complaints and more signups.
Also I think the instance choice is easier for PieFed compared to Lemmy. If you tell people to use Lemmy, they’ll probably end up on lemmy.world which is overpopulated, or lemmy.ml…
Instead of recommending Lemmy in general, you should recommend a specific instance which matches the audience. For example someone posted about piefed.ca in /r/BuyCanadian. Or you can link to a different frontend like vger.app.
I did make a redesign to join-lemmy.org recently so that new users can reach the registration page with a single click. I am also curious about any suggestions you have to improve the onboarding.
join-lemmy.org looks much improved now! And yes linking directly to an instance is the way to go, I would’ve put URLs in this promotional image instead of just names
I’m not sure if I have any specific ideas at the moment. It’s possible Lemmy has just reached a saturation point with Reddit where the people still on Reddit are the ones who bounced off Lemmy before, so they won’t give it another chance anytime soon, but they haven’t tried PieFed yet. Maybe the optimal strategy is to cycle between the recommendations to catch everyone with whatever suits them best. I think we should also try changing out the Mastodon recommendation and see if something else catches people who haven’t already switched to Fediverse microblogging.
I think PieFed’s idea of asking new users what they want/don’t want to see is a good idea.
That person was me.
I’ve promoted Lemmy in the past only to be met with comments complaining about the ‘dogshit UX’ and tankeis.
So I switched to promoting PieFed instead, and have had no such complaints.
And so you decided to spread that misinformation further, instead of simply replying that it is wrong? I’m also very curious in what ways you consider Piefed’s UI better than Lemmy.
Good UX is all about removing friction and making users have to click less and think less.
Users these days are expect their hands to be held and things to just work, that sadly is just the reality.
Let me start off with saying, I started on Lemmy and even donated to Lemmy, PieFed can only grow because it’s standing on the shoulders of giants (lemmy)
My alt is AnonomousWolf, you can look it up, since I joined I complained about bat UX, but people told me to GTFO. PieFed fixes many of those issues I complained about.
Let me do a quick test and walk you through my thought possesses and UX. I’ll make 2 comments in this post, one for lemmy.ml one for piefed.social
– open https://lemmy.ml/
– met with a list of posts, most images too small for me to see or read.
– click on first post so that I can see the image - https://lemmy.ml/post/42503928 – taken to a page where I still can’t see the image I clicked to see – Click on the image, now I can see it. – See some comments, now I need to click back to continue– see another interesting post, image to small, can’t see so I have to click – https://lemmy.ml/post/42501566
– Still can’t see image so I click on the image – now I’m taken to https://mecha.so/comet#overview
– WTF, why am I on a different site? Why am I here,where are the comments – Realisze I can’t distinguish between Image posts and Links to a different site. – Why is this so confusing to browse?
This is why I stopped promoting Lemmy and switched to PieFed.
UX is everything, and Lemmy UX sucked. The default UX (for your average user) is dog shit.
People want ‘it just works’ and PieFed offers that more than Lemmy does.
Yeah but this is like when Disney makes star wars tv shows. Ignore what the current audience likes and use the show as a vehicle to try and tell them what they should like.
I didnt think they could do worse than Discovery but the Academy is incredibly bad. On the plus side, Im rewatching Deep Space Nine again.
And BlueSky over Mastodon
Is peer tube any good ?
No.
But mainly because content creators are on YouTube to get audience and a small profit. The technology is fine otherwise.
Is PeerTube separate from the rest of the fediverse? I’m on Lemmy and get everything from what’s in the OP image except the video things.
This is an interesting economics problem. How can a p2p FOSS alternative compete with advertising revenue? The YouTube creators don’t even get most of the money, so it wouldn’t need to be perfect to be better.
Yeah I think it’s doable since most of the revenues are through sponsorship and you can evaluate the audience with likes and subscriptions
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There are some good youtube mirrors on peertube though and the videos can be downloaded. Also no youtube censorship! I bet you can find some good movies like in the old age of youtube
What’s the difference between Lemmy and piefed, and why should be choose one over the other?
You don’t have to. Piefed is different software. It does have more features: custom feeds, hashtags, flairs, polls, events, keyword filtering, scheduled posts and more. Much of this is also arriving in lemmy 1.0, but the release so far is undated.
But some people dislike the UI of Piefed.
To users they’re both mostly the same but PieFed has more features and a much better UX, so it’s the one I choose to promote.
I’m not sure about the better UX. Take a look at the recent code analysis: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23662293
I think the current behavior is very confusing. Unless you’re an instance admin, you don’t know whether these features are enabled or not.
But how does one switch from Lemmy to Piefed?
You create a new account on a Piefed instance. There’s a lot to choose from like Piefed.social, piefed.ca, piefed.blahaj.zone, etc
Theres a lot of animosity right now between some Piefed and Lemmy users for some reason. I use both, I dunno why people are picking this fight right now, it seems pretty fucking dumb to me.
You can register on a Piefed instance and use Lemmy’s subscription export feature and Piefed’s import feature to retain your subscriptions. Porting comments/posts isn’t a thing.
There’s work underway creating migration scripts for Lemmy databases to be imported to Piefed, but that is a tool for instance administrators only, of course.
What I miss is a auth service for all of them. Something like a “common user” where you can have all your Fediverse services under the same user.
Yeah some OAuth would be nice
