by having a meaningfull alternative
They’re not going to vote for an alternative unless they’re convinced Trump is bad for them.
Maybe a third party, perhaps?
The Democrats need to be real and nominate people who Republicans might actually consider.
This sort of nonsense is why we have Democrats in Congress right now suggesting increasing the ICE budget.
What we need to radical American populism. Freedom liberty and justice for all. A candidate who stands against the wealthy class in favor of the 99%
Candidates need to promise to improve the economy. That is how Trump got the votes to push him over in 2024.
it wont undo the damage what trump has done, and what the DNC ENABLED him to do. 8 Ds were chosen as sacrificial lambs by schumers since they arnt up for rele-election this year, to shield the other 13 dems that are.
So that’s why we need a good-enough third party?
Brainstorming here but you have to factor in that right wing media exists to manipulate these people. To specifically fix it, a major part is reverse engineering right wing media and crashing it.
A) prevent chuck schumer from continuing to be in office. Fascist media needs a villain, wrestling needs a heel. remove the low hanging fruit and they start infighting because how could the new guy be responsible for old problems? The “deep state” mythology exists to explain why republican policies (tax cuts) don’t produce results (prosperity).
B) make the new conservative fad to be off social media - camping or whatever it doesnt matter. Get them away from the echo chamber for five minutes and see if boredom without internet causes their brain cells to start working again. At the very least this would reduce the profitability of the media by reducing view counts.
C) People in tennessee are so pilled they thought they could vote against mamdani in the New York Mayoral election. Guerrilla education would be a funny way to combat the stupidity of MAGA. Its speculated that Trump is obsessed with greenland because he thinks its huge due to map distortion on mercator map projections. A way to show how dumb this is indirectly would be to give out free globes.
Edit: I should say it would be easier to win an election with somebody in office like Mamdani who has both charisma and good values. But since the question is specifically getting trumpers to not vote, the answers are what they are.
Its speculated that Trump is obsessed with greenland because he thinks its huge due to map distortion on mercator map projections. A way to show how dumb this is indirectly would be to give out free globes.
Tech bros pulling Stephen Miller’s puppet strings want greenland’s minerals.
Also just a side note, Greenland is roughly 3 times the size of texas. It’s not exactly “small”, even if mercator maps do make it look significantly larger than it is. (comparably to africa, lol.)
They could also fund mines there without attempting to turn it into a US territory. Imo if this was just about mines they would already have done it.
My guess would be the tech bros also want to use it as some kind of utopian bioshock style project, which is the only remotely plausible explanation for pushing it so hard.
People do understand what the midterms are, right?
…Right?
Neither Trump nor Vance are up for election in 2026. But quite a few of their GOP cronies are, in the house and senate. All of the house is up for election and roughly one third of the senate. This will most likely be our last chance to oust at least some of Trump’s enablers in congress.
I would also add that the presidents party almost always loses votes in the midterms. This is particularly true for republicans since 2016 because a lot of trump’s supporters only care about him and won’t bother to fill out a ballot without him on it.
I’ll sniff this copium until the midterms
Sorry to remind you that Republicans historically do better in the midterms because more of their voters show up regardless. That’s one of the things the racist old fucks love to do with their copious amount of free time. Watch Fox News and head on down to the voting booths.
For many, it’s likely the only thing they have to look forward to now that many of their families have abandoned them over this shit.
Historically, yes. But that general idea has really been flipped over the last decade. 2018 midterm flipped the house D. 2022 gave Republicans control of the house, but not nearly as badly as expected and even gave an extra D seat in the Senate. There have been countless special elections (same idea, usually even harder than a midterm for Democrats) where they pulled through, giving Georgia and even (briefly) Alabama Democratic senators.
they also have gerrymandering benefiting them, plus thier districts dont face anymore form of voter suppression at all.
You can’t. So spend your time doing more worthwhile things like landing the undecided vote.
The husband of a friend of mine voted Trump both times. He’s recently joined the protests. But he will still vote R.
Another friend votes Trump “because the family has always voted R.” And she’s a frigging STEM professor.
Sooooo… you somehow need better Republicans.
I think the undecided might be dumber than the Trump supporters at this point.
They’re a close 2nd.
Yes, the only thing worse than not being sure if you want to vote for the fascist is being sure you want to vote for the fascist.
So, I’ll argue with people on Nextdoor about things like ICE and trans issues when they come up. Over the last few weeks I’ve been talking directly with a woman from there, after a discussion about ICE. She identifies as conservative/libertarian, but to be fair she also voted for the incumbent Democrat in our congressional district so there legitimately was some wiggle room there, not just a MAGA claiming to be moderate.
Over the long course of our conversation, she seems to see the anti-Trump point of view a lot better and even changed her mind a little bit on some topics. I also accidentally triggered what I can best describe as an introspective crisis when I explained that I’m not entirely comfortable considering her a friend when she turns a blind eye to the harm Trump is causing others, including the diverse group of friends I have (it was a more detailed, gentle explanation but that was the gist of it)
Since this is ongoing and I’ve been kind of surprised at how it’s gone, here’s what I think has worked well…
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Keep things friendly. I know that’s hard to do, but if you come on too strong and angry, you’ll just drive people away from you and firmer in their position
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Stay on-topic to the things that matter most. Things like people being sent to CECOT without so much as a trial (disregarding multiple amendments in the bill of rights)
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Stay factual. Be prepared to back up with sources, and offer to ahead of time. Be absolutely sure that everything you say is bulletproofly true. Avoid getting alarmist.
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Pace yourself. I’d go hours just thinking about what was said and how best to respond. We agreed this was best so we didn’t get distracted from our lives too much
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Listen. I can’t think of anything where I’ve really changed my mind, but it does give a way to frame your concerns (“I hear what you’re saying about the influx of migrants. I’m not sure what the data shows there, but if you let the government bypass protocol they’re basically incentivized to let the mess get so big they can take away rights and that doesn’t sit well with me” or “I get that you want people to go through the legal process, but ICE is picking up people in court on their way to their check-ins. They’re TRYING to keep things legal and are getting punished for it”). Sometimes I’ve circled back to things said earlier to make a connection (don’t like CECOT happening? This is the kind of thing that got us there)
This is really helpful and well-explained!
Are you saying deplatforming doesn’t work & open discourse matters? Someone’s got to break it to the purists here.
Both. Any time radicals get their own safe space, they use it to create an echo chamber. You need open dialogue and town square areas on the internet that have a good mix of people and quality, politically impartial moderation.
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the repugnicans have spent years gerrymandering and changing voter access, voting locations and other tactics to void peoples rights. You guys will be lucky if your vote counts at all. I fear the ‘formal’ part of the election is about 10% of the work. The rest is using Peter Theills surveillance system ( from Palantir ) to ensure only trump votes get counted. So the game is massively stacked against you.
So how are we gonna stop the Republicans from doing all that?
its already been done. You’ll need to find another way and courts and judges ain’t it
Courts and judges aren’t enough, but they are important. So when the midterms and 2028 elections do come up, make sure you’ve looked at all the candidates on your ballot, not just congressional and presidential candidates. The more progressives we can vote for and get into office, the more of a chance that they’ll actually be able to get things done (note: vote progressives not just dems whenever possible. Dems don’t do shit unless there are progressives to make them, usually)
If they choose to still vote for more of this madness and the obvious damage to themself economically and socially, they’re clearly in denial and there’s little you or I can do to change their mind.
Just get more people voting. Study after study on US politics proves that if voting percentages were higher, the GOP would probably never be back in power.
There’s a reason they focus so much on removing voters from the rolls, removing voting locations, making it illegal to provide water to those waiting in line (because they only have a handful of locations after removing them all) and making it just generally harder to vote across the board.
They can’t vote for them but they can vote for politicians who support them.
Trump and Vance have already done alot to convince people not to vote for them.
If not, I think the problem is slot larger than Trump and Vance
When talking to right-wingers, convince them both parties are the same and encourage 3rd-party voting
When talking to anyone left-of-center, encourage them to vote in elections, especially primaries
When you talk to right wingers, don’t say “trump is a fascist”, you need to water it down.
Talk about the issues that hurt them. Inflasion. Cost of living.
Don’t bother trying to convince them to vote blue, it’s gonna “trigger” their brainwashed programming and they will just ignore you. Focus on convincing that “Republicans are just as bad as Democrats!¹ Lets vote 3rd party!”
¹Cuz they view Democrats as “evil”… so you need to “code-switch” when trying to Psyop against them.
Inflation always goes up. Both parties are just 2 sides if the same coin. But they other things u mentioned are a bit misleading cos inflation under trump is way better than biden. And cost of living was mostly a bidden problem.
Inflation
As u can see the big bump is bidden the rest is trump.I vagly remember everyone saying trump was failing cos egg prices kept going up.
Looks like trunk kept his promise.And we can get a feel for cost of living CPI (consumer price index) CPI
Its continuously going up but at a far slower rate under trump compared to biden.Are u saying that u should lie to trump/Vance voters or are you simply unaware of the actual data?
When talking to anyone left-of-center, encourage them to vote in elections, especially primaries
I think the greatest encouragement to vote in primaries would be if the party were to provide some assurance that they’re willing to run primaries without tilting the scales in favor of the people that the establishment likes and no one else does.
Or indeed, run primaries at all. People to the left are shut out of the party at every turn, and then told “You’ll be voting for a pro-genocide ghoul because we decided for you. If you don’t like the candidate we ordered you to like, it’s your fault for not voting in the primaries we didn’t have.”
That message may be satisfying to centrists, but it alienates the left. It’s a losing message and the party can no longer afford to keep sending it.
If Trump starts costing the oligarchy money, they will discontinue support for republicans.
About 12 hours ago there was an article about eu tariffs on oligarchs. About 6 hours ago Trump chickened out of the Greenland thing.
Not saying there’s a direct line between these two events, but its the people making billions off Trump who are keeping him in power.
About 6 hours ago Trump chickened out of the Greenland thing.
Wait really?
TACO
What?
TACO means Trump Always Chickens Out.
He didn’t fully capitulate but he went from “We need complete ownership and will use force to get it” to “we’ll tarriff eu countries who don’t give it to us” to “there will be no tariffs and we have the concepts of an agreement which is pretty much the same agreement we’ve always had”.
Core beliefs aren’t likely to change.
Assholes & idiots are gonna asshole & idiot, but this time around, I reckon some of them will fall off the wagon. We’ll see…
You’ll never convince diehard MAGA true believers. But it’s worth recognizing that that’s not all Trump voters, it’s not even the majority of them. Swing voters can always swing back the other way.
You can really only talk to those who are on the fence and willing to listen. If they’re not willing to listen, don’t waste your breath.
For those who are willing to listen, start with why they voted for Trump to begin. Many voters in this country were struggling to make ends meet and didn’t feel like the Biden administration was doing enough for them, so they were desperate for change. Trump preyed on that desperation, told them that it’s all immigrants’ fault, it’s trans people’s fault, it’s woke’s fault, it’s whatever scapegoat he blames next’s fault, so if you vote for him he’ll own the libs to Make America Great Again. A lot of people voted for him because they felt unheard by establishment politicians and were desperate enough to believe a con man who sounded like the only person in the room actually speaking to their fears.
If they are willing to have the conversation, get to the root of those fears. Ask if Trump has actually made their lives better. Attempt to deprogram anything directed to the scapegoats he blames it on. Try to pivot to Democratic policies that actually can help in tangible ways.
But again, I cannot stress this enough, this can only get through to people who are open to listening in the first place. If you try to preach at people who are not, they will dig their heels in deeper. Pick your battles carefully, figure out who is worth talking to.
