Voted for hate, receive hate. Reap what you sow, you dumb piece of shit.
I swear to god, didn’t even have to read it to know that this person owns a business.
The only “normal” people the media interviews anymore are small business owners.
If you don’t a own a startup, have a registered LLC, or aren’t a published author then you just aren’t a person.
Do you understand what your country is yet? Because “citizens” are chattel and only money makers matter to those in power.
Everyone’s becoming a rebel, slowly but surely. Sabine was a good little grunt until the weapons she built the empire were turned on her own people. It will take time, but empires always, inevitably, fall.
Early humans must’ve spent a lot of time policing one another’s mating habits and resource consumption, seeing as what effective tools those are at manipulating idiots today.
“When I saw they were bigots just like me, I was really excited! Then I found out they’re bigots in other ways too and it made me sad :(”
Fuck you, lady. You wanted me and people like me dead.
These stories often hit me with a pang of pity at first. Poor, dumb, moronic idiots, I just want to hug them and pat them on the head like the snotnosed children they are.
But as you pointed out, they were roped in to this with promises of cruelty toward others. It’s hard to muster up empathy for that.
Remember that we gain more traction by accepting that some people regret voting for Trump rather than hanging them out to dry. Yes, I she sounds stupid too, but calling people stupid won’t make them join our team. “It’s OK, we all make mistakes - let’s talk about your feelings about trans-rights and why it scares you”.
I have tried playing nice with these people - truly, I have. I’ve listened to their side of the issue, I’ve given them the benefit of the doubt, and I’ve engaged with them in good faith for years hoping that compassion and empathy along with facts and science have the capacity to change minds, albeit slowly.
The simple truth is that some people need to be bullied. They need to be ridiculed and made to feel foolish, because otherwise they have no motivation to better themselves.
We, as a collective, have gone too soft on these folk. We treat all of their worst ideas and base impulses as having the same merit as those of a well researched and educated political policy.
Because of that, we’re stuck arguing the absurd with morons, desperately trying to convince them that the earth is round, those clouds in the sky are just vaporized water, and vaccines won’t give you autism or make you gay, instead of approaching reasonable disagreement like “should we levy a 1% sales tax or issue a one-time bond to pay for necessary infrastructure repair?” and other such sleep-inducing matters you used to be able to find on C-SPAN.
As a bisexual autistic man, I no longer want political traction.
The reactionary proles and reactionary immigrants that voted with the native fascists and wealthy fascists deserve whatever comes to them. They deserve worse.
I hope everything fucking burns, even if I’m in the fire. I’m intensely disgusted.
I will never feel any authentic positive emotion towards strangers in the US again.
You don’t get to tell people who are harmed, oppressed, and marginalized that they have to play nice with their oppressors. If you choose to take that task upon yourself, that’s fine and noble but you don’t tell a rape victim that they have to speak to their rapist after they realize they might have done something wrong. That’s not how this works. That person wanted LGBTQ people harmed. Point blank. You don’t tell LGBTQ people to play nice with them now.
Yes, I understand the political calculus at play. Yes, I’m an activist and organizer with over 20 years of experience in this. Yes, I know what’s at stake.
Too bad. That’s now how it works. My advice, keep people like her clear of people who will call her stupid (and worse), not the other way around.
And when she ACTUALLY understands why she’s a horrid person, maybe then others will be willing to not attack her.
Until then, she’s unrepentant, unreformed, and a repugnant human being and many will rightfully tell her that in no uncertain terms.
I’m not telling harmed or marginalized people how they should feel or behave. And you are right in that no one owes their oppressors patience, forgiveness, education. What I’m talking about is strategy, not morality. Also, I feel like you are overinterpretating the quote. Nowhere does she say that she wants to harm or hurt LGBTQ people. She might, but that’s just us speculating.
If someone says “I regret voting for Trump,” that doesn’t make them redeemed, safe for criticism. But it does open a crack that can create an opportunity to make her shift position. If the response to that crack is only condemnation, then the crack closes and nothing changes.
You might be right in saying that LGBTQ people shouldn’t be the ones doing this work. That burden shouldn’t be expected to fall on those already harmed. It can be done by people with enough distance to engage without being hurt.
Calling someone a “repugnant human being” may be emotionally justified. It may even be deserved. But it does not move them away from anti-trans politics. It hardens them or pushes them back to the people who tell them they’re right to be afraid. To me, this is mostly a matter of the unfortunate educational system that you have in the US (I’m from DK btw).
You’re right that remorse without understanding isn’t enough. But understanding rarely comes after social exile. It usually comes after conversation, friction, and discomfort. No one has to play nice. But if the goal is fewer people supporting policies that harm LGBTQ people, then writing off every regretful (stupid or uneducated, whatever works for you) voter as irredeemable is a losing tactic. Even if it feels righteous.
That’s the only point I’m making. But I understand your point of view.
She sounds like a bigot. I think it’s okay to say that she’s not just stupid.
She’s stupid++
I agree but do you think that it will be easier to convince her of better ideas whilst also calling her stupid?
I don’t think I’ll make any difference. I’ve known people like her my entire life and you always think that their most recent self-inflicted bad experience would encourage some introspection, but it never does.
The reason they think the way they do in the first place is because they desperately desperately want all of their failings and all of their insecurities to be the fault of someone else. Then all someone needs to come and hand them a convenient punching bag and they’re happy. The problem is they’ll never get better because all of their problems are self-inflicted, and it would require real introspection for them to realise that.
It’s the paradox of tolerance all over again, if you hold back on these people because you feel that doing so would encourage them to change, you are denying them any incentive to change. Yet at the same time if you scold them for their beliefs they’ll simply use that as reinforcement that they are the victims.
I would love to know what you feel the solution to that is. How many times in this community have you seen people say “Trump has destroyed my life, I’d still vote for him again though”?
“I just wanted him to kill the gays!”
Bigots getting what they deserve. Cry me a river.
Notice how she doesn’t connect the dots that bigotry against one group typically means bigotry amongst many.
Bigots getting what they deserve. Cry me a river.
Everyone is getting what this bigot deserves. Don’t gloat. Their misfortune is ours as well.
Right? My immediate thought was “They’re against the ‘LGBTQ Agenda’? I was immediately hooked as I believe people just living their lives is an affront to me and I wanted to hurt others”.
“A weapon I wanted to be built against my countrymen was turned against me too.”
"A weapon I wanted to be built against my countrymen was turned against me too…
…for I, despite all the bullshit, Sovcit rhetoric, am also a countryman."
First they came for the gays, and I said nothing, because I’m a fucking homophone…
Wait, I don’t think that’s what Niemöller said.
“He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting”
It’s so clear she only cares about herself. If she personally wouldn’t have been bothered by it she would still stand behind her choice. Fuck everyone one else, right? This selfish piece of shit can drop dead for all I care.
One can only hope she faces the consequences of her actions. One less repugnican is a good start, only 77 million more to go.
Lol!!!
against the LGBTQ agenda
I have a suspicion this person did not use those exact words when she described her position. Also I bet a lot of slurs were used when those campaigners arrived at her shop and convinced her they were “against the LGBTQ agenda”.
“But I wanted the gays to live in fear, not me!!”
Those who want to hurt others who are just trying to live their lives peacefully deserve to be hurt themselves. May she get roughed up and deported by ICE.
Those who want to hurt others … deserve to be hurt themselves.
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May she get [hurt].
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Yes, I stripped out some very important words, but those words don’t actually change the underlying problem: we are each wishing harm befall other people.
She wants people hurt; we want people hurt. We’re all getting exactly what we say we want.
By all means, marvel at her stupidity and bigotry, but please stop short of becoming her.
She wishes harm on people just living their lives. I wish harm on those that wish harm on others. We are not the same.
Punch Nazis.
I will allow you only those tools you give to the Nazis currently in charge. What are you going to let them use against us?
Look, a year ago, I’d agree with the point you’re trying to make. Unfortunately, the time for playing nicely to avoid escalation has passed.
“Oh no, they’re disappearing people without due process. We better silently protest or else maybe they’ll start doing even worse things!” is not the move
Oh oh, lets find common ground evwee bwaaddy! Peace and love! Turn the other cheek! Fuck off if you think that works. We have been pursuing that for decades. Reconciliation requires a sincere seeking of truth. It’s not in them, and will never will be for most.
“Becoming her,” would be attacking her because of where she was born, or skin color, or religion, or sexuality. We should attack her intolerance.
I don’t care if they are now naturalized citizens. They lied on any oath of loyalty to our constitution. They deserve the ICE treatment. They are a part of the world’s population that will succumb to strong men. They are those whom have enabled and carried out genocides throughout history. I have been them. I was raised like them. I know them.
If 1/3 of the world’s population cannot abide by social contracts of tolerance, then they should destroyed.
We are not becoming like them. We have to hit the bully in the face. The difference is that many of us will be completely traumatized by what we had to do to stop the bullying. We will weep and use our emotional pain to design better institutions and futures. Will they? Fuck no they won’t.
“Becoming her,” would be attacking her because of where she was born, or skin color, or religion, or sexuality. We should attack her intolerance.
Parent comment wasn’t attacking her intolerance. Parent comment was wishing her harm.
Furthermore: “Religion” should not be a protected class.
They deserve the ICE treatment.
As are you: You are wishing harm on her, not on her intolerance. This is the exact distinction I was trying to highlight.
I want her to wake up. I have heard too many accounts like hers. Those accounts are depressing, because nearly 100% of them expressed that they would still support the politicians that harmed them.
As far as religion, I’d prefer if it didn’t exist, but I will tolerate people’s delusions if they don’t cause intolerance and harm to others. It is not inherent like skin color, but it is does create classes that get targeted by intolerant classes.
At some point, we must harm the intolerant by depriving them of liberty, or life. We have been entreating and begging for them to not be this way. Our “want” to hurt them is the culmination of our frustration and understanding of what their intolerance leads to. There is no fucking paradox here. That fury that we are feeling is the natural impulse to survive or die.
Oh the downvotes you’ll get from not wishing ill on others.
Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.
Sure, the person above you only wanted them to get a dose of misfortune, but it still seems relevant to me.
The opposite of stupidity isn’t just the opposite stupidity.
Thomas Paine understood the problem.
He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
Karl Popper’s philosophy calls for directly and actively suppressing the people you and I deem “intolerant”. The fundamental problem with his philosophy is that the Nazis are already in charge. Any method you use to suppress “the intolerant”, you give to the Nazis. It goes straight into their hands for them to use against the people they deem “intolerant”. Popper asks you to forge the tools of your own demise.
Thomas Paine’s philosophy breaks the cycle. He opposes fascism in general. When you instill Thomas Paine’s values in the general populace, you discredit yourself in their eyes as soon as you call for suppressing anyone.
Fascism that you happen to agree with is still fascism. Popper’s actual paradox is that he was a fascist.
Thank you, I will read more about this.
“Fascism that you happen to agree with is still fascism.” Do you truly believe that those calling for oppression against fascists, become fascist? We must be using different definitions of fascism, unless you’re saying that us making them the out-group is the same. That doesn’t ring true to me. Are there examples of this from history?
Do you truly believe that those calling for oppression
Whatever tool of oppression you are going to use is the exact same tool that will be used against you.
Paine’s message is “destroy those tools so nobody can use them”.
Popper’s message is “use these tools until you face no oppression”.
Popper was a fascist.
Oppression is not fascism
Byeeeeeeeeee sounds like maybe there is no LGBTQ agenda where sharif came from
That’s the thing. Find me one nation that is anti-LGBTQ+ and doesn’t have other oppressive policies. Maybe rethink your fucking stance if it’s only supported by dictators, theocrats, and fascists.
It also astounds me that people with names like sharif would ever feel safe voting red at all let alone for trump. But no, gotta hurt the gays for… checks notes having literally zero effects on any aspect of my life.
She’s a “business owner” and likely thought she was building her way up to the ruling class while underpaying her immigrant workers. She never thought shit would touch her.
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I am sorry, but I have to say it. If you voted for a known GRIFTER, businessman that bankrupted a CASINO and had known ties to Epstein, expecting him to change your country for the better, you are fucking retarded. Just plain simpleton, with IQ of a frozen yogurt and a brain of just about the same consistency and smoothness.
This proves that not everybody should have the privilege of voting about things that have major, broad impacts. I am so glad I moved to another country from that shithole.
Everyone who voted for Trump hoped he’ll hurt the people they despise. They knew he was a piece of shit, but they didn’t expect he’ll be a piece of shit to them as well.
businessman that bankrupted a CASINO
Several.
He bankrupt several casinos.
