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    2 days ago

    More and more I’m convinced “Messaging” was by far the biggest shortcoming of Biden’s administration. They did or started so many things to benefit us all that they never got credit for

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        They just aren’t good at messaging, period. It’s hard to believe how incompetent they are.

        Biden’s messaging on the economy was a total disaster. Trying to gaslight people into thinking the economy was great when their lived experience proved otherwise was never going to work. It made people distrust anything the Dems said and set Kamala up for failure as well.

        It’s especially stupid when the Dems never bothered to invest in their own media empire like the GOP did.

        It doesn’t matter whether inflation was biden’s fault or not, politics is mostly about people’s feelings.

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      2 days ago

      I mean there is valid points here the Biden admin failed to take credit for their own wins.

      But also like they did historic (up til Trump ofc) expansions in ICE, were deregulating industry, refused to make his campaign policies materialize like single payer healthcare, and ran cover for genocide for 2 years

      To call messaging the biggest shortcoming I think is doing a lot of heavy lifting to talk past a lot of the generally abhorrent things.

      Personally I find maintaining and funding genocide to be a much more substantial shortcoming than messaging largely because the whole world saw the admin lying to us for 2 whole years without even batting an eye and it was one of the most substantive reasons Trump is now in power.

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        But also like they did historic (up til Trump ofc) expansions in ICE, were deregulating industry,

        This is to appeal to the morons they lost to.

        deregulating industry,

        What??? Biden was in so many ways better at regulating industry than other presidents. Lina Khan did work.

        refused to make his campaign policies materialize like single payer healthcare

        In what alternate universe did you hear him make that promise?

        and ran cover for genocide

        Yup, but people do have to remember the alternative we have now is literally worse on this in every conceivable way. Also, I feel fairly confident in my assumption mossad has the best blackmail in the world… The things israel gets away with…

        and it was one of the most substantive reasons Trump is now in power.

        This is utterly nonsensical. People who are not brain dead did not see trump, who wants the palestinians all to die, very publicly, and think “well joe is still bad, so lets think worse”. That would be a brain rot psyop level of non thought.

        I think democrats lost because people were racist and sexist, people didn’t feel spoken too by someone with charisma (partially tied to the first, but also shes literally an EX DA…), the world has been seeing a bad shift in key metrics, and people who don’t pay attention just blame that on whoever is currently in power.

        There were probably more, but I think those are the key ones and think the idea that palestine is what made kamela lose is something that people who only pretend to care say.

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          19 hours ago

          Go look at the polling for why people voted the way they did.

          People voted for change. Trump offered it with lies. Kamala did nothing. It’s really that cut and dry .

          Between genocide and a refusal to speak to economic needs she lost. End of story.

          Sure there are people who didnt vote for her because her intersectionality of a black Indian woman but that isn’t what lost her election no matter how hard to try to spin your cope.

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            Its interesting to me that your argument is that things completely different to what you are saying is the primary reason you lost, is why she lost but are trying to poorly link them together.

            It can’t be both. Either its the change or its the genocide, and its obviously not the latter because the other party is worse.

            Even then, your reasoning falls apart because you are refusing to acknoledge that instead people didn’t turn out for harris when they did turn out in normal numbers for trump. For republicans they fall in line, for democrats they fall in love.

            Sure there are people who didnt vote for her because her intersectionality of a black Indian woman but that isn’t what lost her election no matter how hard to try to spin your cope.

            Just because you want something to be cope as a cheap dismissal doesnt mean it is.

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              No you’re not getting what I am saying at all because you are knee jerk defending identity politic bullshit.

              What were the two biggest issues for people going into the election? The economy (stagnate wages, inflation, cost of school, medical, housing etc it’s all wrapped up an affordability crisis) and the genocide in Gaza.

              Which do you think was the bigger issue?

              Wrong it was Gaza. The biggest reason for people not voting was the refusal to stop backing the genocide. The economy was actually second.

              https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-biden-election-poll

              There’s only more polls that support this out there since.

              Now to clarify my point on change. This was the primary difference in the rhetoric of the two campaigns. Both campaigns were pro genocide, pro deportation, pro cracking down on immigration, and pro corporate deregulation (biggest example coming to mind here is the unnecessary flip flopping on fracking). Not to mention anti trans (lest we forget Kamala wanted to “follow the law” in a year where over 200 anti trans laws were passed around the country many in effect today).

              Kamala Harris offered Biden 2.0 as her platform. She said there would be no sunlight between her and Biden and that we should expect more of the same. She offered no change that people were desperately crying out for. Housing credits for first time home buyers? Like cool but what problem does that structurally solve? None.

              Trump on the other hand ran on a platform of changing the country and restoring economic prosperity and man he was a liar but at least he cared enough to tell people what they wanted to hear. I don’t agree with Trump at all but surely you can see how this dynamic played into how people voted.

              You can scream identity politics til you’re blue in the face but the numbers simply do not support you. The people who did not vote for her due to her race or gender were a drop in the bucket compared to those she lost by refusing to move to the left on a single issue or condemn the live streamed murder of children (which remember she ran cover for with Biden for 2 years unapologetically).

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      2 days ago

      Media presence is going to be something I’ll consider when picking a candidate.

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        This is one of the reasons Kamala would have been great. Trump has demonstrated that even when the news hates you, being in the news is better than not being in the news. Can you imagine the attention Kamala would have gotten just for being a black woman? The right would have done her work for her.

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    2 days ago

    I’m trying to imagine the type of brainstems that would vote for Taco over Biden over a single issue like…checks notes…fentanyl.

    I mean…FFS. I’m sure they exist, and talking to them is probably just as infuriating as I imagine.