• Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
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    5 hours ago

    Just in case you needed more evidence this guy doesn’t have Europe’s best interest in mind…

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    13 hours ago

    So… we are going to rely on American weapons to defend Europe? When America has declared that it will take Greenland… which is part of Europe as far as I can tell. Are we even able to manufacture ammunition for them, or perform larger maintenance tasks?

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      11 hours ago

      He is not acting for Putin, at least not directly. Trump of course, he is the US president, leader of the free world.

      There are thousands more in European military, politics and other institutions that are loyal to the US more than the EU. They grew up and came into whatever position they now hold in a system where Europe was de facto subordinate the USA for decades.

      Needless to say for a truly independent Europe they are going to be a problem.

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        There are thousands more in European military, politics and other institutions that are loyal to the US more than the EU.

        There is alot to be discovered and said about this comment.

        I’ll start by commenting it’s part of a mindset, belonging to people who have been culturally ingrained by a 80 years plus US military presence. In a similar fashion as Central Europe needed to come free from USSR, the Western part is now going through a parallel process with the USA. It could be part of a growing " independence" movement, with a maybe a new (European) core identity at heart.

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        7 hours ago

        NATO was designed to protect Europe from Russia. So today, it would be better off without the US in it.

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      11 hours ago

      It’s his job to believe in NATO. Doesn’t mean we also have to.

      Exactly, it’s our job as European to see that our security interests are adressed, (in) directly and amongst others, by Nato’s SG Rutte.

      Also, there are several layers at play here;

      1. We need the US security umbrella and trade

      2. Even if we don’t need it, you can’t simply say " no" to the biggest economic military force in the world.

      3. When we are pressured by the East and West simultaneously, you need some real balancing act to remain in the field

      4. Rutte , other senior leaders & US senators, have offsite assured us, that Trumps frontpage politics are more of an internal domestic national electoral compaign. Like many say in the US say It’s all deflection from Epstein files and other stuff.

      5. If anyhting is clear about Trump, it’s that he’s a liar and is untrustworthy.

      6. He has factually oftentimes illegally abused his US executive Powers in the USA with ICE.

      7. Internationallly, he’s threatened Greenland, Canada, Panama etc, created an unconstitutional system of Tariffs.

      8. Recently, under his orders like a 100 poeple were executed in international waters, and per yesterday he suddenly bombed Isis camps in Nigeria

      9. Trump associates with known sexual predators, autocrats, war criminals, etc. And denies or sabotage the freedoms of his democratic opposition (and his own allies & partners#added)

      In conclusion: Imo , Nato’s SG Rutte statements are most likely either a redirection of Trump’s lies, and partly it’s his own manoeuvring for his own Political position. Personally, neither motivations are especially comforting. But at least it appears that Rutte’s buying time, until we as EU and Friends can find an adequate solution which is being established by bilateral new security packages with countries like Canada, UK, Japan, Taipei etc.