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China’s core artificial intelligence (AI) industry scale is expected to exceed the 1-trillion-yuan ($140 billion) benchmark in 2025, according to industry data, a trend that experts said highlights the vast potential of the country’s AI development, driven by broader application scenarios, technological progress and policy support.
According to the China Academy of Information and Communications Technology (CAICT), China’s core AI industry exceeded 900 billion yuan in 2024, up 24 percent year-on-year, China Media Group reported on Sunday. In 2025, the figure is expected to surpass 1.2 trillion yuan, with growth accelerating further, the report said.
Since the beginning of this year, the application of large-language AI models in the manufacturing segment has expanded significantly, with the share of application cases rising from 19.9 percent last year to 25.9 percent, helping drive rapid growth in the overall AI industry, according to the report.
Keep in mind, AI development in China is much broader than just LLMs or diffusion models. It includes traditional deep learning for science and medicine, optimisation algorithms to streamline ports and factories, embodied intelligence for industrial and humanoid robots, etc. It’s generally a much more grounded field of technological development than the Hail Mary AGI seekers in the US.
This is about llms. Stop doing apologia because you desperately hope to be saved.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here. Are you saying that AI isn’t used in Chinese factories, research, ports outside of LLMs? Or are you saying that LLMs are inherently evil and no one should be developing them at all? What ‘apologia’ am I doing exactly?
Since the beginning of this year, the application of large-language AI models in the manufacturing segment has expanded significantly, with the share of application cases rising from 19.9 percent last year to 25.9 percent, helping drive rapid growth in the overall AI industry, according to the report.
The driving force of this growth seems to be largely LLMs, is what I think she means.
True, I’m not blind to the rapid growth of Chinese LLMs, I’ve even got one sitting on my SSD right now. I just think that people seem to be overly focused on LLMs when there is a much broader field that is quietly advancing the productive forces, which is sadly underreported on.
I agree, but I think this is a product of a lot of the development and (especially) marketing and investment being focused on LLMs.
I hope it’s understandable that people might doubt what you’re saying when your material interests are for the technology you’re using to succeed.
I’m not saying the technology is inherently evil, but I am interested in how exactly is China developing it. I’m hearing too much focus about the destination here, not enough focus on the means to achieve it.
But you wouldn’t have such a huge amount of profit if you actually paid the people who contribute towards making it now, would you? Just because they might actually put it forward something useful later doesn’t justify them just taking it like that.
Hmm, if you’re asking about me specifically, the LLMs I have on my PC are small and vastly outclassed by models hosted online. I don’t have a specific use case for them other than personal amusement and familiarising myself with the technology, and I don’t gain much from using them either.
As for how China specifically is developing this technology, the main positive aspect is that a majority of LLMs released by Chinese firms and research groups have the model weights open under free software licenses, so everyone can download and tweak them.
Certainly, I do not think that Chinese tech firms have the people’s interests at heart any more than other companies, but given that a push for open source AI is explicitly part of the 14th 5 year plan, I think it’s pretty clear the CPC is aware of the exploitative potential of these technologies, and is actively working to minimise the risk.
Just to be clear this is an example of what I meant by exploitation and the workers I am concerned about: https://sdgs.un.org/sites/default/files/2024-05/Rani; Gobel; Dhir_Development of AI.pdf
I’m hoping China isn’t contributing to this and handles it much better. It’s not their responsibility to babysit USA, but if they are benefiting from the exploitation USA does I hope they at least consider returning the favor to the workers, when they are able.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I hear that slop stops being slop when you cross an ocean :( my sympathies to the people.
At least you can be somewhat more confident in the Chinese government’s ability and willingness to not let this grow as a bubble, pop, and annihilate the economy in a way that destroys the lives of a huge fraction of the population, I suppose.
I mean maybe, things aren’t exactly great over there atm.
I think hexbear is excessively optimistic about china
I don’t think things are perfect (or even going particularly well in some ways) over there. I just think the Chinese government has demonstrated a level of adaptability and competence that’s essentially in a different reality altogether than any of the western bourgeois dictatorships (not saying much), so they’re highly likely to come out of the medium to long term effects of the “AI” obsession much better off than the west.
nah, 100% they’re gonna suffer from the same overbuilding, destruction of knowledge, and sedimentation of culture as everyone else.
