I loved Reddit for what it is, but nothing made me back out of a post faster than seeing the top 3 parent threads as a regurgitation of the same inside jokes, pun-chains, and so on.

    • solstice@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      It really is fascinating though, having a front row seat to what really is a massive tectonic shift in the history of the internet. Real curious to see how this all plays out. I’ve been online since the early 90’s so I’ve seen tons come and go: AOL, yahoo, slashdot, livejournal, myspace, digg, etc, and this one feels different for some reason, but maybe its just me.

      • minimar@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        3 years ago

        I think it feels different because it’s not website B rolling in as a replacement for website A. It’s an entire new system for social media, so the way you understand and use it has to shift a bit. I find it exciting, a lot more than if we just shifted to a generic centralised reddit alternative.

        • druppel@feddit.nlEnglish
          1·
          3 years ago

          Web 1: fragmentation Web 2: centralizatiom Web 3: decentralization Web 4: quantum entanglement Web 5: …

    • dan1101@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      3 years ago

      That’s crazy, we shouldn’t even allow anyone here unless they had at least 1,000 karma on Reddit.

    • solstice@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      3 years ago

      It really is fascinating though, having a front row seat to what really is a massive tectonic shift in the history of the internet. Real curious to see how this all plays out. I’ve been online since the early 90’s so I’ve seen tons come and go: AOL, yahoo, slashdot, livejournal, myspace, digg, etc, and this one feels different for some reason, but maybe its just me.

  • TCGM@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    3 years ago

    That’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it, but nothing will kill adoption rates harder than doing the whole early Mastodon thing of “you should change how you behave here”

    • redditrefugee@lemmy.oneEnglish
      0·
      3 years ago

      There’s a noticeable generation gap between people who use 1!1!1! and the ones who would say sO MuCh tHiS! I’m not sure when it happened but I’m gonna guess you are about 35?

      • gary@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        3 years ago

        And another generation gap between people who use a double space after a period and those who just use a single space.

        You can always tell when someone was trained to type on a typewriter when that happens.

          • again@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            3 years ago

            Printing-press typesetters had a rule for how much space should be between sentences. Then people started having personal typewriters that were monospace, so to make their documents look similar to traditional publications and to more easily see the punctuation marks, people would put two spaces before starting a new sentence. Personal typewriters got more sophisticated with better spacing, making double-spacing unnecessary, and then computers came on the scene with word processing software, which also had no need for the improvised double-spacing.

            But people had already learned from their teachers back in high school that they should double-space on the typewriter. So they taught it to their students with advanced typewriters and computers, and some of those students to this day just won’t quit.

          • Mr_Grumpy@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
            1·
            3 years ago

            Typewriters were/are monospaced, so putting a double space after the full-stop helped you recognise the start of a new sentence, giving it, and you, breathing space.

            The PC fonts are size adjusted and double space is no longer necessary, but it doesn’t hurt.

        • redditrefugee@lemmy.oneEnglish
          0·
          3 years ago

          I used double spaces until a friend of my aggressively dissuaded me from doing it recently. I wasn’t trained on a typewriter but I learned it from people who were, so there you go.

      • elonspez@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        3 years ago

        I will be very very sad if I’m still commenting this kind of shit on a random corner of the internet at the age of 35

          • darius@lemmy.worldEnglish
            0·
            3 years ago

            It’s such a weird thing for me too. You are too old for eating cake, doing funny noises, comment x or y. The fuck I’m too old for anything.

            • MiddleWeigh@lemmy.worldEnglish
              0·
              3 years ago

              There seems to be a weird age in between teen and late 20s where you wanna be older than you are and take stuff seriously, then your “childhood” is over by 30 and you realize life is kind of a joke anyway so why not just be a child till death. I’m 33 and I’m with you. If I can’t be entertained by life, ain’t no point living.

      • Ataraxia@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        3 years ago

        Oh man… but they forgot 11!!11!1!0ne. Why does this remind me of arfenhouse? Anyway the ones and exclamations are too symmetrical. I sense a fake.

  • Dialectic Cake@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    @angrylittlekitty@lemmy.one (comment link) had mentioned server costs from hosting duplicated content which was a great point.

    I will also add, that people’s time is also a finite resource. And so we can all help by being respectful of the rules for each community (save moderators time) and additionally in communities where you are asking for help – avoid being a Help Vampire.

  • Soltros@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    I also hope nobody is going to be editing their comment and saying “wow, this blew up.”

    • ddhEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      A punishment you say?

  • zkxsEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    you have my updoot

    I jest. Ultimately without some sort of mechanic that disincentivizes noisy, low-effort joke comments there’s not going to be some sort of magical cultural shift. I’m just arriving, but from what I’m seeing Lemmy doesn’t have any sort of design that will skew comments towards actual discussion and away from jokes/noise in any meaningful way.

    • kakes@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      The way it is right now, we don’t have total “karma”, which I imagine helps to at least suppress the purely karma-farming spam. That said, there’s no real reason to think it won’t be added here eventually.

      • Sens@feddit.ukEnglish
        1·
        3 years ago

        I hope it doesn’t, better without karma, it shouldn’t be competitive really

        • Chais@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          3 years ago

          Never really got the point of Karma to begin with. All it really does is measure how well you match the tone of any particular echo chamber.

          • AnonTwo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            0·
            3 years ago

            If I recall, a minimum karma was used by some mod bots as a gatekeep of sorts on more official subreddits. But even then I don’t think it was more than to deter very new accounts.

            • zurohki@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
              1·
              3 years ago

              Deterring very new accounts is still a useful thing to do.

              A lot of posts on my country’s COVID sub were removed by the bot with an account too new message, and it was only set to about one week. It doesn’t really slow down new users but it cuts off a lot of spam bots.

    • win95@lemmy.fmhy.mlOPEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      Yeah, I was thinking of having some sort of feature that pre-builds thread topics in a post (humor, discussion, cross-searching) where users can put there comments in depending on what it is they’re going for.

      • zkxsEnglish
        0·
        3 years ago

        I’m also eyeballing Tildes as a Reddit alternative, and their dev has an interesting approach to increasing signal-to-noise ratio. They don’t have downvotes, but they have labels that affect how comments are sorted, with the joke and noise labels moving comments down in the sort by a pretty significant amount.

        • TheTimeKnife@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          3 years ago

          That sounds like it could work pretty well, you could even just add it on to other comment sort styles. You don’t need to necessarily remove downvotes if you really want them in specific instances.

        • Sens@feddit.ukEnglish
          0·
          3 years ago

          Tildes developer has openly said they don’t intend for it be a replacement for reddit, and that kinda is what makes me come here instead.

          If they aren’t open to the idea, it will never happen.

          Not saying they should open the floodgates either, it’s mainly that the use cases and end goal for Tildes vs Lemmy are completely different

    • railsdev@programming.devEnglish
      21·
      3 years ago

      I wonder if this will come down to client apps (though “native” instance-level integration would be nice).

      Mlem currently has keyword filters but it would be nice to filter comments out that equal a filter.

      For example, I can’t stand comments that just say “this” so in theory I would set a filter for any comment that’s just equal to “this” right? But then I’d be filtering out quite a lot of “valid” comments.

      • orsetto@beehaw.orgEnglish
        1·
        3 years ago

        But you could filter out comments containing only “this” or variations with exclamations points and such

    • GhostCowboy76@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      I am still learning Lemmy, but I agree with you from what I am seeing. There is no “karma farming” here right? So the motivation is mostly people who want to engage?

      • zkxsEnglish
        1·
        3 years ago

        There’s no total karma for a user yet, yes. So the perverse incentive to make number go up at all costs isn’t quite as wild as it is in Reddit.

        As I wander around Lemmy more I’m also noticing that there’s a lot of opportunity for instances to have their own subcultures, which goes against the “It doesn’t matter which Lemmy instance you use” advice I’ve seen in a couple places. It definitely seems prudent to choose an instance that has an admin team and/or a theme you like, because instance-local content is going to be the easiest to find. The instance I chose is decently small and chill, but I’ve seen some other instances with a big focus on memes. To each their own!

        • GhostCowboy76@lemmy.worldEnglish
          0·
          3 years ago

          I agree with you to an extent, but I have noticed on my instance it is heavily populated with outside instances so hopefully as this grows that subculture part will not be as much of a concern and more a fun “extra bonus” if you will of your favored instance and we can still unite under our favorite “common communities."

    • Dialectic Cake@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      3 years ago

      Agreed. I think for now it’s up to each community owner to set the expectations for their community and for the mods to enforce it. And so like Twitter…the quality of your feed will be dictated by whom you follow or in Lemmy’s case which communities you join.

  • Hildegarde@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    Lemmy sorts comments differently from reddit. Lemmy’s documentation page about their algorithm describes reddit’s algorithm as one that,

    rewards comments that are repetitive and spammy.

    It’s an issue the developers claim to have a solution for.

    I have no problem with jokes and comment chains. People should have their fun. But, I deleted my reddit account in frustration years ago. Reddit ranks the jokes higher than relevant discussion.

    I’m cautiously optimistic. Lemmy is likely to be less prone to this particular problem.

    • DocMcStuffin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      3 years ago

      Wow, that’s a clever little algorithm. It feels like it could work better.

      Reddit’s big problem (among many) was you had to get in early on a thread to contribute. Otherwise you could be so far at the bottom you might as well have sent your reply to the bit bucket.

      • dystop@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        3 years ago

        lemmy’s algo seems in theory to work better, but we’ll only know when the userbase here gets large enough.

        On reddit, once a thread got past 300+ comments, the only way to get any views on your comment was to post it as a nested comment in a top-level comment.

    • SlappyRedcheeks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      3 years ago

      I feel like there is a potential but minor problem with Lemmy’s algorithm. It favors new comments but what if the post itself is asking a question with a definitive answer? The best answers might get buried by side discussion as time goes on.

      • nephs@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        3 years ago

        I think as time goes on, I’d assume the recency boost would subside and the upvotes for the definitive answers should float back to the top.

        Also, length is probably favoured as well, since so many top content isn’t just 3 words.

  • Veritrax@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    Lemmy reminds me of old school BBS where actual discussion happened. I know it’s been a shift for me where I actually have to think about a response and hold a discussion instead of just following the patterns. Not that I don’t appreciate rote comments, it’s nice to expect a joke and have that delivered on. Not every thread though.

  • Barrelephants@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    Glad to see one of the first posts I see on here is whining about how other people post. Starting to feel like home already.

    • spingEnglish
      0·
      3 years ago

      When do we get to complain that some people here didn’t like something before, but some people now like that thing? Surely soon.

      • cookiecollision@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        3 years ago

        I’ll give it until the end of June. By that point, anyone who was going to leave reddit will have left, and new users will come more organically. At that point, the rexxitors will do what redditors do best, which is gatekeep.

    • ActuallyASeal@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      3 years ago

      Just need the people complaining about people complaining post followed by a rule baning complaining about people. Then we can get the golden meta post of complaining about the rule stopping you from complaining about people.

  • UnspecificGravity@lemmy.caEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    Hopefully you can find some social media platform that doesn’t have any other people on it so that you can live in peace from the dumb shit that other people post.