• mosiacmango@lemm.ee
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    21 hours ago

    Those same people will tell you normal birth control are also abortion pills, so its not worth arguing with them in general.

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      20 hours ago

      Yeah I had a coworker tell me she couldn’t personally justify using hormonal birth control because she read that it’s possible for it to prevent a fertilized embryo from adhering to the uterine lining but like:

      1. I would want to read the source because while it actually seems pretty likely that it could, it also seems like it’s pretty likely that lifting more than 30lb at a time could too.
      2. I find “it’s a person from fertilization” arguments to be completely missing the point anyway. I actually happen to think it’s a person from fertilization, I just don’t think it has inherent rights to use another human being’s body as life support without their consent.

      Arguments about at what point it becomes a human being or has human rights are all just emotion-inducing distractions to shift the conversation away from the actual discussion of bodily autonomy and consent. We don’t forcibly rip skin off of dad when the baby gets burns, or hold him down and bleed him when the baby needs a transfusion, and we all agree it’s a person at that point. Whether or not the fetus is a person is irrelevant to the conversation. Getting people to say they don’t think it’s a person is just another way to maintain it as a political issue: “look they don’t think babies are people!”

      They also don’t want to have that conversation because if the argument becomes about what kindnesses and service they owe to their fellow humans in general, they become uncomfortable very quickly.

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        20 hours ago

        From that perspective she shouldn’t be having sex either since it’s widely understood now that there are often multiple fertilized egg cells floating around, and once the “winner” implants into the uterine lining the others will be flushed out anyway.

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          19 hours ago

          exactly.

          I’m going through the bible right now actually and I’m kind of tempted to livetweet it (well, toot since it’s mastodon). I just got through the bit where Abraham lets the Egyptian Pharaoh cuckhold him for money then gets kicked out of Egypt when the pharaoh finds out Abraham isn’t is only Sarah’s half brother but is also definitely married to her and that’s why everybody in Pharaohs house is cursed. The best part is Abraham keeps the money though, so at least letting his half-sister cuck him pays off in the end. Then there’s this:

          graphic sexual content

          I really wish there was a good Christian community on here I was raised fundie and I’ve really been getting back to my roots and I’m having the absolute BEST time.