Whatever political side you disagree with is not a unanimous group of “bad guys” or “good guys”
Tell that to the supporters of the Democrat and Republican parties. A lot of people in the US absolutely do believe that their side is the “good guys” and the other side are the “bad guys”. This is not something we came up with.
The OP’s question was about how to break through this notion that any of these corporate parties are the “good guys”. Your “enlightened centrism” or attempt at putting yourself “above” politics (ignoring politics), or whatever it is you think you are doing with your comment is not addressing the real issue. The reality is that there is a widespread false consciousness in the US which is propped up by the false dichotomy of political partisanship. You won’t solve the problem by pretending like it doesn’t exist.
But you should care. It’s no use simply feeling good about yourself for recognizing the bullshit if most people are still trapped in that narrative. If you want things to change you need to find a way to help others to also stop believing that bullshit. Because real change is made by the masses, not singular enlightened individuals.
I agree, and I’d add that there is a material aspect to the equation as well. As the standard of living continues to decline due to neoliberal policies, people in the mainstream start having a crisis of faith and they become more open to alternative interpretations of reality. It’s important to pick your battles and focus on educating people who have already started developing doubts on their own. People who are still living in liberal wonderland will not be swayed by any argument, and you’d almost certainly will just be wasting your time.
You’re right. I do and should care. Thinking it over, I didn’t quite have a right understanding of my own opinion. Trying again:
I do care about the consequences of many people believing bullshit. And we can see this happening with American and Russian influence of disinformation around the world right now. And a lot of people are hurt because of it.
As for the validity of the bullshit, that’s where I don’t care how many people believe it.
Please, these lies about Russian “disinformation” are tired and overdone. At least come up with a new ridiculous narrative that is at least novel if you want to spread lies.
Lies? I just follow the news. But feel free to debunk a few for me. I wouldn’t really know where to start. A recent issue claimed to be Russian disinformation was that Ukraine started the war. Is that true?
Dang, someone feels attacked by a different perspective. Just don’t listen, and let me learn about these ideas. With how much of a mess news sources are nowadays I appreciate learning about how others view things ever more. I want to know what’s going on
Maybe start by quitting this ridiculous us vs them rethoric. People have more to them than being democrat or republican.
Whatever political side you disagree with is not a unanimous group of “bad guys” or “good guys”
Tell that to the supporters of the Democrat and Republican parties. A lot of people in the US absolutely do believe that their side is the “good guys” and the other side are the “bad guys”. This is not something we came up with.
The OP’s question was about how to break through this notion that any of these corporate parties are the “good guys”. Your “enlightened centrism” or attempt at putting yourself “above” politics (ignoring politics), or whatever it is you think you are doing with your comment is not addressing the real issue. The reality is that there is a widespread false consciousness in the US which is propped up by the false dichotomy of political partisanship. You won’t solve the problem by pretending like it doesn’t exist.
I don’t care how many people believe bullshit, it’s still bullshit. I think we’re on the same page there
But you should care. It’s no use simply feeling good about yourself for recognizing the bullshit if most people are still trapped in that narrative. If you want things to change you need to find a way to help others to also stop believing that bullshit. Because real change is made by the masses, not singular enlightened individuals.
I agree, and I’d add that there is a material aspect to the equation as well. As the standard of living continues to decline due to neoliberal policies, people in the mainstream start having a crisis of faith and they become more open to alternative interpretations of reality. It’s important to pick your battles and focus on educating people who have already started developing doubts on their own. People who are still living in liberal wonderland will not be swayed by any argument, and you’d almost certainly will just be wasting your time.
You’re right. I do and should care. Thinking it over, I didn’t quite have a right understanding of my own opinion. Trying again:
I do care about the consequences of many people believing bullshit. And we can see this happening with American and Russian influence of disinformation around the world right now. And a lot of people are hurt because of it.
As for the validity of the bullshit, that’s where I don’t care how many people believe it.
Please, these lies about Russian “disinformation” are tired and overdone. At least come up with a new ridiculous narrative that is at least novel if you want to spread lies.
Lies? I just follow the news. But feel free to debunk a few for me. I wouldn’t really know where to start. A recent issue claimed to be Russian disinformation was that Ukraine started the war. Is that true?
Keep your mouth closed about things you admit you know nothing about
Dang, someone feels attacked by a different perspective. Just don’t listen, and let me learn about these ideas. With how much of a mess news sources are nowadays I appreciate learning about how others view things ever more. I want to know what’s going on
a place to start: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/2022_Russo-Ukrainian_conflict
I’ll have a look! Thank you!
It presents about the same story as what I’ve heard up until now. But with a bunch more details, I like it. And now I’ve got some fact checking to do.
Thank you for giving me a starting point!
How do you define the start of the war?
How much do you know about the Minsk Agreements, for instance?
I know there were disagreements. But as I understand it, Russia first brought guns to the situation