The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what’s to stop me from raping all I want? And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero. The fact that these people think that if they didn’t have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine. I don’t want to do that. Right now, without any god, I don’t want to jump across this table and strangle you. I have no desire to strangle you. I have no desire to flip you over and rape you. –Penn Jillette
Think of the man what you will, but this has to be the best answer for that dumb question.
Well, it is important to remember that he’s a professional liar, so I don’t know how true that is for him personally.
I see your logic, atheists. Now apply that to “laws”, “money”, and “The State”.
Laws and the state exist to deal with the people that DO want to rape and murder. Money exists to provide a more convenient way to exchange goods and services.
Laws and the state exist to deal with the people that DO want to rape and murder.
And religion doesn’t? What subject are we talking about again?
Money exists to provide a more convenient way to exchange goods and services.
Is it the most convenient way? Have there been other ways? (Yes, there has, for thousands of years.)
Well, seeing the problems Catholic priests are having not touching little children, I’m going to go ahead and say no, religion is not a very good way to deal with people that do want to do such heinous acts.
Catholic priests aren’t all religions.
So you are saying that people of all religions want to molest kids, but are held back from that because their God would disapprove?
Gosh, and here I am not wanting to molest kids all on my own.
But let’s go less icky - most people don’t want to molest kids. So let’s talk about stealing. What is keeping me from stealing from a big corpo like Walmart? Security cameras and laws. What is keeping me from stealing from my neighbors, and even other people at large? I respect other humans enough to not take the things that they have paid for. No security cameras, police aren’t around - I could go take my neighbors nice lawn mower out of his shed tonight and likely never get caught, but I don’t because I don’t want to deprive another human of things they worked hard to acquire.
I guess you’re saying that some people need religion because they have less of a moral compass than I, an atheist, have?
Edit: also, it doesn’t just happen Catholicism, and if you need the proof, I think there’s a community for that.
Edit 2: a downvote but not a rebuttal. 🙄
And religion doesn’t? What subject are we talking about again?
Can’t speak for anyone else but I’ve never seen god stop a rape/murder.
Is it the most convenient way? Have there been other ways? (Yes, there has, for thousands of years.)
We could go back to bartering I suppose but I’d rather carry a credit card around than a 60lb sack of grain or whatever people are trading for.
If we can kill God, then it wasn’t God that we killed…
God is the all-powerful creator of the universe, all of the black holes and quasars, all of the laws of physics, the architect of the very Beginning and End of All Things… but He is in constant danger of destruction by a bunch of hippies and nerds.
This is the fact that is so often overlooked because its too goddamn inconvenient for them to acknowledge.
There are plenty examples of religious leaders raping and killing children and other offenses. But I guess they are above it all then?
The same god who allows rape and murder as long as you believe in him
The entire argument is pretty stupid…
Do you believe in god? Yes
Does rape and murder happen? Yes
Can you rape and murder if you tried? Yes
So what does your god add to the situation? Is the only reason you don’t do it out of fear? Yes/No?
Also do you really obey the laws of your god? Yes
So you don’t ever wear both linnen and wool? Uh what?
And are you really sure you never sat where a menstruating women has been sitting?? Wait what?
How many different seeds are in your garden? ??
I think zealot answered that. It seems that people who can’t manage themselves and their worst impulse want to manage others.
Grimes and musk believe the AI is God. So there’s a good chance context is missing here on purpose because she’s aware enough to not go full crazy.
Bring back God = build the AI.
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TBF, an overgrown autocorrect is more real to me than god, and in my opinion it’s the more sane option to worship.
The archetypes, best, worst and middling, are those parts of ourselves, so I can kind of see that. I’m fairly sure that’s not what they mean by it, but I could be wrong. People can agree on basic premise and have wildly varying ideas of the implications, such as regular people who hi to church, temple and mosque and basically try to be decent to everyone, and those who wield religion like a cudgel.
Eta, just saying I’m fairly sure i don’t agree their implications, maybe not the actual premise. I realize it was murky.
I now see why she was stupid enough to get with elmo.
Those two deserve each other.
People always told me that Grimes was super smart, but every time she opens her mouth, it’s some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard. She is the guy we all knew in high school, the one who takes mushrooms and stares at Tool album covers, and expects the rest of us to pretend they are brilliant.
This chick literally wrote an open letter to communists, saying that if they support Elon Musk, he will use AI to bring a communist system.
If she were to ever shut up, it may dawn on her that she is actually a fucking idiot, and we can’t have that, so she never shuts the fuck up.
If she were to ever shut up, it may dawn on her that she is actually a fucking idiot, and we can’t have that, so she never shuts the fuck up.
"It is worth repeating at this point the theories that Ford had come up with, on his first encounter with human beings, to account for their peculiar habit of continually stating and restating the very very obvious, as in “It’s a nice day,” or “You’re very tall,” or “So this is it, we’re going to die.”
His first theory was that if human beings didn’t keep exercising their lips, their mouths probably shriveled up.
After a few months of observation he had come up with a second theory, which was this–“If human beings don’t keep exercising their lips, their brains start working.”
Is that Vonnegut?
Hitchhikers Guide
Also good!
She’s very good and talented at music, and I stand behind that. But as you’ll know if you see anything about personal lives of musicians, it doesn’t automatically make her good at anything else.
Oh believe you me, I 100% stand by the first 10 years of Kanye, and artists’ don’t have the right to ruin nostalgia for our youth. We are not obligated to stand by old men or women just because they did cool things in their youth.
So… a female Joe Rogan, essentially?
This person allowed Elon Musk to stick his Nazi cock inside her.
She’s not a sane individual.
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I can’t remember who said it but: If you being a good person depends on the fear of eternal damnation, then you are not a good person.
That’s why as an Italian I appreciate nordern countries. Luther reform fixed that and shifted the main point to the actual life.
When I moved to Sweden in a rich part of Stockholm I was not happy. Dealing with rich Italians left a disgusting feeling in me and I didn’t want to live there. Then I got to meet the neighbors and they were actually really cool. Rich swedish people (normally rich, not talling about billionaires), are absolutely down on heart.
Anyway, I’m pretty sure this people would’ve been doing great even without religion. Luther isn’t been a revolution, it’s been an excaping. Not surprisingly, their modern and open Christianism is the one who’s disappearing faster.
manic nazi dream girl
When autism and fascism collide
“Your religion isn’t the same as morality.” - Britta Perry
Someone that fucked Elon should really keep ideas about morality out of their fucking mouth
Elon doesn’t fuck, his dick is a bent twig. He has them fucked by mail order.
If fear of divine retribution is your only reason for being a good person, then you are not a good person.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
Emphasis my own. Yes there is a self evident morality, you don’t need God to tell you what’s right and wrong.
To be fair, they’re also saying that it’s self-evident that our rights are given to us by a “creator”. Which isn’t true.
Your mama didn’t give you rights?
There was just a case where a woman gave birth to a baby in the woods, left it there and left for a vacation. If it weren’t for the family dog desperately trying to save the baby and getting noticed by a stranger, nobody would have ever known as even the rest of the family was defensive of the woman.
This shows morality is not only not an exclusively trait but not even an exclusively human trait.
I am not sure that I agree that the dog’s behavior necessarily demonstrates “morality.” You might be anthropomorphizing a bit. I am not a biologist or anything, so I could be way off base… But is it not possible that the dog was acting on instincts to protect newborn offspring? Similar to when animals “adopt” babies from other species as their own?
Morality implies that the dog did a thing because it’s “the right thing to do,” when in reality, it might have just been a self-preservation instinct kicking in. Dog sees newborn that’s clearly the offspring of the being that takes care of it, dog tries to preserve that newborn’s life in order to keep the gravy train going.
Just my (again, non-expert) thoughts.
You can remove the argument from morality safely from your answer just by stating the dog acted upon instinct, based off the notion dogs are pack animals, that have a closely knit symbiotic relatioship with human, which can be used to in favour of the dog finding a newborn activated the instinct of preserving their pack.
The way you approached the subject can be easily side tracked through arguing you are atributting self interest to the animals actions, as in, it keeps the newborn alive, thus, their own preservation is assured.
If acting on true self interest, the dog should have allowed the newborn to die.
Side note: who discards a newborn in such calous way? How unbalanced is the person?
If acting on true self interest, the dog should have allowed the newborn to die.
That’s not necessarily true. No more human offspring means no more symbiotic relationship.
No offspring, closer symbiotic relationship, with more resources available.
Maybe… We’re probably overthinking it and it’s just a “protect baby” instinct.
And that is a very possible scenario.
Zealots judging by the news coming out of america do not care about such trivial details as “facts”, “medical science” and “behavioral science”. It is unnecessary for them to take that into consideration.
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Do you have source?
