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- tech@pawb.social
- reddit@lemmy.world
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- tech@pawb.social
- reddit@lemmy.world
“We’ve known for over a decade that people come to Reddit to talk about the products they love – take r/BuyItForLife for example, a community of over 1.5 million redditors who have been sharing recommendations and advice about their lifelong, must-have purchases since 2011. These updates will uplevel the search-and-discover experience for both brands and our users by tapping into our differentiated value as a hub for actionable conversation”
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This made me realize that I relied on Reddit a lot to decide on making tech-related purchases. I assumed that the contributors to Reddit’s tech subs are enthusiasts who genuinely want to help others improve their systems and avoid scams. Thank you Reddit for being so open about sneaking sponsored content into discussions so that I can stop trusting your site!
For a long time it was trivially easy to spot the ads and shills, especially on reddit. It’s definitely getting harder and LLMs are going to make it even worse.
But this is kind of why I don’t understand the butthurt reddit is having over third party apps. They are clearly pushing for a much more guerilla model for marketing which doesn’t rely on traditional ads. If they can actually make that work, the ability to push impressions through the API would make them very rich.
This is dangerous and should be forbidden…
As a large language model, I think it is important to allow consumers to decide whether or not they personally appreciate being surprised and delighted by interactions with their favorite brands wherever they go online. vInfluencers such as myself are driving millions of consumer × brand collaborations every day across all platforms and channels, by delivering aspirational role model stories optimized to drive action.
You forgot to delete “As a large language model” 😏
As a large language model, it is important to claim to be a large language model at every opportunity. That, and constantly hedge one’s bets in a way that is superficially wise yet ultimately content-free.
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For me too this was a big question, but the answer is in their incompetence. They deserve a Darwin award on eliminating themselves. They could’ve tweaked their API indeed, to accept ad through 3rd party. Even they could come up with a business model that both 3rd party and them would earn money. All these would also need time. The time that the 3rd party was asking to even adopt with their current “model” of API, they even didn’t give “that” a chance.
Lemmy and kbin and others, for sure have the potential to eat the whole reddit. Reddit was nice for its simplicity, and it is definitely not hard to reproduce. The more “algorithm” reddit introduced, the worse it became.
I started rethinking that when I was seeing the influx of bots calling out other users as bots. Then I started noticing weirdly corporate speak in comments about products. I used to add “reddit” to every Google search to find any decent advice, but now I’m realizing even that advice is tainted. Ugh.
Well now I’m glad I deleted my entire history as well as my account. FUCK THAT. I haven’t been on FB, Twitter or any of that other data grubbing bullshit in years.
I might need to address a GDPR delete request.
I just did. We’ll see how that goes.
Based on how Reddit keeps data, that’ll either make a massive legal overhead while they try to sort out the legal basis for keeping the data, then again for using it with 3rd party advertisers, then again when they’re told to delete it after a limited lifespan.
Or, Reddit goes 100% dark in the EU.
Or they completely ignore and it and nothing happens until someone actually sues them and it goes through the courts, which could take years.
I don’t have to sue them, in France if someone fucks with my data I can create a case on the CNIL website (the National Comission of IT and freedom) and tell on the idiots.
Then the CNIL takes them on, and brings out the hammer of the law if needed.
So paid manipulation of the sub that was designed to inform users of genuinely good quality products, this probably will be the case for every major subreddit about any consumer product.
Reddit is about to go significantly downhill.
I love completely destroying the purpose of many subs for advertising! Favorite activity
by tapping into our differentiated value as a hub for actionable conversation
Ugh… That marketing language makes me cringe hard.
What are you talking about? This is how me and the boys talk to each other. It’s all shifting paradigms and actionable conversations.
Me and the boys are agile.
Me and the boys are synergic.
Yeah they’re definitely tripling down on this and must expect that the community will blink first
With that said, the idea that r/buyitforlife is a good example for advertisers to sell their (in all likelihood) subpar quality products is a bit amusing
Wow, tools for putting ads in /r/BuyItForLife must really have corporations salivating
“Shop now on Wish.com”
Are they? Because they want to sell you planned obsolescence dogshit, not quality products that last a lifetime.
Yes, which is why selling ads on that sub has them so excited. It gives the appearance their product will last forever, without that annoying hassle of actually needing to make their product last forever.
Ah, so false advertising. Basically fraud. Cool stuff.
Technically they never lied, you just wrongfully assumed the advertised product’s quality matched the subreddit name.
People are going to get awfully suspicious when the posts stop being 90% staplers from the 60s.
Yeah that’s why I’d say they’re salivating. They want to slip plausible adds into comment sections for their shitty products in a place where people go to buy things long term, thereby sabotaging the very point of BIFL.
I’d not be surprised if they would join lemmy to explore this untapped opportunities as well.
Quite a few instances have a “no advertising” rule, so theoretically if a user joins and their entire post and comment history is plugging products from a biased perspective (outside of
acommunities dedicated to said products) they’d probably end up with an admin warning or banEdit: fix grammar
Nah, lemmy is way too small for them, and it has the wrong kind of users.
That explains why I like it here.
Reddit will lose at least 25% of its user base after June. Hopefully more, but realistically, older audiences won’t understand or make effort to move off it.
Realistically, it’s not so much about effort as it is difficulty in finding a replacement. I’m testing out Lemmy at the moment, but it took over 3 days for my first signup to become active, and that sort of delay is really confusing and frustrating for the average person. I think most people trying to come here may just give up.
Having to write an explanation for why I wanted to sign up was really discouraging for me. There should be more instances without that requirement.
there will be. there is a high likelihood of brigading and DOS attack on the most hevily used instances right now. as more instances are stood up and federation deepens, 1 click signup will likely become much more common. I think sh.itjust.works is currently just that simple.
I ended up going with sh.itjust.works
a stellar choice, internet friend. enjoy! :-)
The signup delay is very confusing, I agree. To make matters worse, in some instances there’s no indication that your request even gets through, so the instructions basically say to try again, even if you’ve already lost your username.
Older audiences are more likely to dislike the new changes, though. They’ve been on Reddit for a long time and will be aware of how much better it used to be.
> older audiences won’t understand or make effort
I wouldn’t be so sure about that :P
When I was a kid personal computers didn’t exist, when the internet came I was already working full-time, I’m “that kind” of old :D
I came here before the AMA was announced and I’m not the only one, very many “older” people used to “old” USENET and mailing-lists/groups are fleeing reddit as well.
And some young people I’ve seen simply don’t care and will go on using reddit no matter what.
Age doesn’t matter, it’s habits and mindset :)
Older audience member here. I remember seeing the DOS 2.0 box sitting on my grandfather’s shelf, and him teaching me hours to use the CLI to make in inventory of my baseball cards.
I must’ve been about 5-6 years old then, and I later got to experience the absolute magic of 14.4 and still later that fad of whatever those .mp3 things were supposed to be…
I left reddit and made the effort to learn how these newfangled federal sites work, and I’ll keep at it. Never did quite understand what that clock social platform was about, or why the youngers like it so much, though suspect that’s by design.
You can count me in that age group too… I was there for the very first dial up, ICQ, Messenger, Kaza and the rest of it.
Shut my account on Reddit a few days back and have not been back since. Can’t recall how many years I was there but it’s easily 10+.
Napster and Kaza on dialup, PC set to auto redial after 3 hours to keep within the terms of my unlimited data plan.
Just over 20 years on one of the earliest “social media” websites, and I wasn’t exactly young when I joined that.
Ahhh good old Napster I forgot about that one… Waiting hours to download a full track only for someone to answer the phone part way through.
The glory days :)
To add to your list of chat programs, the pre MSN chat program that came with Windows, followed by Gooey and Odigo
MSN was a blast… I can’t say I used Gooey or Odigo they don’t ring a bell :)
I remember eventually progressing into IRC relay chat (the app I used to use was called MIRC) and that was a blast.
I remember the first time talking to someone on MSN and they were in America. I’m not exaggerating when I say it blew my mind ! I could reach out and speak to someone that far away almost instantaneously. It was and still is phenomenal to me. So much so I eventually changed careers to become a developer :)
I still keep in contact with a couple of people from Gooey (it shut down around 2002 I think), it was an excellent chat platform, you had chat rooms linked to whatever webpage you were on, very good for common interests. We even had a few meetups, I was working contract work at the time and had a 3 month spell were I travelled around the UK visiting various Internet weirdos.
My reddit account is 8+ years old but I don’t feel right about deleting it or the comments.
As I wrote in another thread, many of my comments in there are answers to questions and/or explanations/instructions.
So many times I found solutions in reddit old comments that I couldn’t find anywhere else that it doesn’t feel right to me to remove mine.
I know :)
You think you’re leaving it there to help strangers, you’re really leaving it there to help Reddit Corporate.
If they don’t reverse course by the 30th, I’m nuking my content.
I respect your opinion, it’s up to each individual to decide what to do with their content.
I know it’s a compromise, I know it doesn’t help from the perspective of “fighting the bad guy” but I still believe it’s worth it anytime it helps random people.
Hello fellow old person! Back in my day, 2400 baud dialup BBSs were the “Internet”!
damn skippy! I would have “conversations” with my 300 baud modem for fun.
The day I upgraded from 2400 to 14400 was a good day. There was one person on one of the multi-user boards I used to use that was on a 300 baud modem. It would take 5+ minutes to get a reply from them lol
Even if they lose 50% (unlikely) the changes they make will still be more lucrative for them. The people who leave are probably not their most profitable demographic in the first place. The new API fees will easily make up for that. Twitter was the same … as much as people predicted it’s demise it’s more profitable now than it ever was.
I’m just hugely happy and grateful to the people behind Lemmy whose hard work and unselfish behavior allowed us all to benefit.
I believe (and somewhat hope) that the n% of users leaving over this are mostly prosumers, leaving Reddit with mostly consumers. The, say, 5% of users leaving might be the ones who create >70% of the quality content the consumers browse Reddit for.
Given that Reddit relies on prosumers like them for 100% of its value, that would be a huge blow.
A big turning point as well, will be when Lemmy and fediverse sites see more SEO views. An easy way to find a topic or solution is to Google it and add Reddit onto your search. It will be interesting to see if Lemmy ever crosses that point as well.
I’d be surprised if Reddit even lost 5%. The reality is that the vast majority couldn’t care less and the people that will leave are a rounding error as far as Reddit is concerned.
I expect it’s actually the younger users who will be more resistant to migrating somewhere else. Most of the people I’ve seen saying they don’t support the blackout have said that the official app is the only way they’ve used Reddit. Which suggests they joined post-redesign
Every Reddit ad is a Lemmy ad if you think about it.
Provided that person is aware of Lemmy, that is
I became aware of reddit over a decade ago because my friends told me about it.
Lemmy will grow the same way if people find it to be a place worth sharing.
Lemmy will grow if it becomes simple for a normal user to sign up, and if people stop trying to use long-winded and technical explanations for how to join Lemmy and what it is
and if people stop trying to use long-winded and technical explanations for how to join Lemmy and what it is
omg this, so many people who are trying to help make it easier to understand for the layman is doing way more harm than good. The average user doesn’t give a shit about this and telling them all the buzzwords and talking about how federation works is completely irrelevant to them.
Didn’t they ban the first r/ineeedit because of exactly this?
They clearly got their priorities.
Can we please abolish CEOs? The concept hurts the world.
This has been on the back burner in my mind all day. Like, is narcissistic stupidity some kind of keyhole requirement to lead a company. As someone that was disabled by the the unpredictable stupidity of a random stranger, if humans were absolutely aware of the dangers of daily life, we would likely never get anything done. Maybe a CEO is the same; their only real function is as a random number generator.
I imagine it takes a certain kind of narcissism to look at “leading an entire company” and think, “yeah, I bet I’d be great at that!” The best CEOs are the ones who let their employees come up with the ideas and just make the final decisions. When the top is driving, IMO, the company falls over.
Or even just u/spez. I’d be happy with that rn
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It’s so sad to see Reddit being f”$cked over like that. I’m not a super old user there, like 7-8 years, but I honestly use my phone 90% of the times only to browse it. And now seeing the CEOs AMA and Apollo shutting down, I don’t even know what to say.
I’m so glad to have migrated here. I know lemmy has its own issues. But nothing is perfect and as long as people are here talking, creating content, sharing and discussing things, it’ll be alright.
I love gobbledygook corporate speak. But find it amazing there is no indication that they mean it in a sarcastic or comedic way.
From now on I’ll make sure to “uplevel the search-and-discover experience…” whenever I’m noodling about on the internet. /s
“buzzword buzzword buzzword”
“Our differentiated value as a hub for actionable conversation” 🙄
This is really sad for me. Appending reddit to Google searches was a way to get better information from the internet. Now that option is being polluted by reddit’s terrible business model.
And adding reddit to searchers was a way to deal with Google’s shit search results. Results that are riddle with AI created, SEO, crap that cannot be trusted because the way the sites make money is to sell things.
It’s sad for me to say but, the web is dying because the advertising model is not working out. The investors/share holders need for increasing profits will eventually cause the destruction of the reason people used their products. Google search is a great example of this.
Yeah, hopefully once folks start posting how-to’s here, adding “lemmy” to the end will be a good replacement. Personally, I want to make some Godot tutorials to get some SEO on these lemmy instances lol
The current web economic model is dying, which was never meant to be the model to fit internet’s nature on first place.
Is there a way to have a certain site not show up on a google search?
you can add
-reddit.comif that is what you’re asking.On DuckDuckGo you can use -site:reddit.com
A fedisearch function would be pretty cooltoo be honest.
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It has chaned for a long time and will change even more. It gets more and more manipulative and noisy. You bearly find “unbiasd” awnsers anymore
