• anti-idpol action
    28•5 months ago

    Discord as the 2nd most desired sync comm. tool with 71% admire score

    fucking zoomers

        • @ericjmorey@programming.devOP
          7•5 months ago

          There are many small details that make Discord better, possibly because their focus is on making multi-modal communication as rich as possible. There are many things they can improve upon but, they’re miles ahead of the competition right now.

          • anti-idpol action
            1•5 months ago

            Zulip is really neat. Telegram is easy to set up and has a native desktop client and scales well. Self-hosted XMPP is nice, as as the name says, it’s extensible. Mumble has a mid interface but great performance and privacy.

      • anti-idpol action
        1•5 months ago

        just note that actually very few of them have native apps so… and mind digital sovereignty and privacy. also discord doesn’t work well outside of chromium, contributing to this dreadful web monopolization.

        • @CameronDev@programming.dev
          4•5 months ago

          At the time (pre-Jetbrains) Eclipse was pretty good. Haven’t been back lately, but it was a top tier IDE.

          I think the others are all closer to pet-projects, they are basically a text editor with a run button, I even wrote one myself for tcl. I just never got the chance to inflict it on some poor uni students :D

    • NostraDavid
      2•5 months ago

      Code::Blocks is a step up from Bloodshed DevCpp, which was outdated the moment we started using it, but our teacher was a hardcore “I only need a netbook with Windows XP to program my games” kind of guy. He loved programming games for game systems that were older than him 😂. Good on him for being content to work on a 10" screen though.

  • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍
    12•5 months ago

    I’m not surprised at Helix’s numbers, either. I wish we could sort by Admired; I think the picture would be more interesting.

    Using my newly patented VisualSort, it looks like it’d go:

    1. NeoVim
    2. Visual Studio Code
    3. Rider
    4. DataGrip
    5. IPython
    6. Goland
    7. Vim
    8. Helix … 27 others

    So, in the top 22%. And I think some of the others are cheating & cutting themselves short at the same time, because vim and nvim are fairly indistinguishable, and isn’t Goland based on IntelliJ?

    What’s weird is that I’ve never heard of Rider or DataGrip[^1], yet Kakoune isn’t even on the list.

    Sad to see Netbeans sink so far, though; back in the day, when I was a Java developer, it was my favorite, being far lighter weight than Eclipse and having a really decent WYSIWYG GUI designer. Nobody uses Java for desktop apps anymore, though, do they?

    [^1] Edit: oh. .NET, and SQL. Well, I guess you could consider both to be programming languages if you squint a bit.

    Edit #2: surveys are hard, but I really take exception to their OS survey, which they sum up as “windows is the most popular,” and then they have Linux broken up into 5 major distributions, and then yet another catch-all for “other distribution.” Windows is just “Windows,” not “Windows 11,” “Windows 10,” “Windows XP,” and “other Windows” (although they do break out WSL). And that’s not even counting Android. If you add up all of the Linuxes, it’s more popular than Windows (by this survey).

    Seriously, who wrote this?

    • @AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialEnglish
      6•5 months ago

      Vim and Neovim are fairly indistinguishable

      You mean apart from being able to write plugins in Lua instead of Vimscript?

      • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍
        2•5 months ago

        I’m sure there are more differences; nvim has plugins written in every language. One reason I stepped away from it is because, for development, I was using a fair number of plugins, and i noticed the starting nvim would launch nodejs, a Python runtime, a Java VM, Lua runtimes… I started to feel as if I might as well be using emacs.

        So, yes: you’re right. NeoVim has more features than plain vim, including a dozen different plugin managers and the ability to write plugins in almost any language. I meant that, from an editing modality, they’re very similar.

    • NostraDavid
      2•5 months ago

      [^1] Edit: oh. .NET, and SQL. Well, I guess you could consider both to be programming languages if you squint a bit.

      I’m hoping they’ll have a separate Query Language list. We need to know more query languages because SQL has wayyy too much power, IMO.

  • nickwitha_k (he/him)
    7•5 months ago

    Neovim is rather wonderful. I haven’t yet seen good plugins for OpenAPI specs, so, I’m stuck with VSCode for that but, it really is my go-to.

  • voxel
    1•5 months ago

    why is vscodium listed separately by the way, it’s literally built from exactly the same code as vscode, just without the proprietary licensing, ms branding and using openvsix extension gallery by default

    • @ScreaminOctopus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3•5 months ago

      It’s a fork of Vim but the codebase has been cleaned up to remove complexity due to legacy hardware support. It allows the use of Lua for configuration and plugin implementation instead of VimScript, which allows plugins to be written in a sanely designed, high performance scripting language, allowing plugin developers to build more complex plugins more easily without dragging down editor performance (VimScript comparability is maintained though). It has a built in implementation of LSP. Plugins written in other languages can communicate with the application via a msgpack API so deciding to support other programming languages for plugin development at compile time is not necessary.

  • @ExtremeDullard
    -1•5 months ago

    I must be a minority then. I tried it once - as in, I made a real, honest attempt at liking it and making it work for me - and all it managed to do is show me it’s buggy and confused, and to convince me to steer well clear of it and stick to vanilla Vim.

    I really really dislike Neovim.

    Also, I question the vailidy of a survey in which VSCode is 13 times more “desired” - whatever that means, it’s not like it’s hard to procure - than VSCodium, given that VSCodium is VSCode sans the Microsoft spyware. Makes no sense to me…

    • ѕєχυαℓ ρσℓутσρє
      5•5 months ago

      I understand not liking the vim way of doing things (which seems not to be the case for you), but I’ve never heard anyone describe neovim as buggy. Not throwing shade, genuinely curious. What bugs did you encounter, and when was it?

      Edit: I missed that you posted a link there. Interesting.

      • @ExtremeDullard
        3•5 months ago

        Most people don’t even know VSCodium exists so that makes perfect sense

        What would make sense is that people who know what VSCodium is answer the survey while those who don’t refrain. Then you would see fairly identical scores for VSCode and VSCodium.

        What this survey demonstrates is that people express opinions about stuff they know nothing about.

        VSCode has a better selection of extensions.

        True. I’m aware some extensions don’t work in VSCodium. But I’ve yet to run into one myself.

        Having said that, I’m not a VSCod(e|ium) user myself, so it’s not like I’m a specialist I’m forced to know enough to support my users, and what I’ve seen of VSCodium so far is that it has almost zero downside for the invaluable upside of not feeding data to Microsoft.

        But naturally I’m a Vim user through and through, and we Vim / Neovim / whatever VI clone floats your boat don’t need no Microsoft-made Electron resource pig to do our work, as you well know 🙂

        • nickwitha_k (he/him)
          2•5 months ago

          Microsoft-made Electron resource pig to do our work, as you well know

          I hate that any it so much. It doesn’t need to be that way but, MS. Yeah. Maybe I’ll try to make an OpenAPI plugin so that I can return to Neovim.

        • NostraDavid
          1•5 months ago

          But I’ve yet to run into one myself.

          Pylance doesn’t work, and is a “necessity” for writing Python

    • @zygo_histo_morpheus@programming.dev
      4•5 months ago

      “Desired” and “Admired” are very strangle labels, it like the question(s) might have been:

      Which development environments did you use regularly over the past year, and which do you want to work with over the next year? Please check all that apply.

      In which case VSCodes high “desired” score just means that it was widely used?

    • @ericjmorey@programming.devOP
      3•5 months ago

      I remember that post. I’m surprised that nobody has run into that problem until now. Did you open up an issue on the Neovim GitHub repository?

      I ask because I don’t see one and I want try to replicate the issue. I’ll report it myself if I’m able to.

      • @ExtremeDullard
        1•5 months ago

        I don’t care enough to bother, to be honest. Neovim, like Vim, is just a tool to me. It failed me, I moved on. I have more interesting things to spend my time on.

        • @ericjmorey@programming.devOP
          1•5 months ago

          I care, because what you found is a bug. And I think it would be best to document the intended behavior and a temporary work around, and then fix the bug. So I’m doing just that.

    • @AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialEnglish
      2•5 months ago

      I don’t know how to open that post on my instance so I can reply to it, but if you’re willing to give it another shot, I figured out how to get indentexpr= to apply to all buffers from init.vim, using an auto command. Add this to your init.vim:

      autocmd BufRead,BufNewFile,VimEnter * set indentexpr=
set indentexpr=
    • NostraDavid
      1•5 months ago

      given that VSCodium is VSCode sans the Microsoft spyware

      Can’t use Pylance in VSCodium /rant

      It’s one of vscode’s killer features (at least for Python), and I can’t live without it (I tried).

      Yes, I don’t like it either; I wish I could use Pylance in Neovim or anything else LSP-enabled, but it is what it is.