Ah yes, the AMA has a score of precisely zero. Nice vote manipulation there Reddit.
Also you can upload images directly? Awesome!
Posts never go into negative scores. If a post has negative karma, it shows 0 points, always been like this.
Huh, I didn’t know that. Still a pretty dumb feature.
Reddit sheds a few million of its active users but the API changes and death of third-party apps don’t completely kill the site because now it’s pretty mainstream and a lot of people actually don’t give a shit about Apollo, RIF, etc.
A few million is plenty to make lemmy a comparable community. As that continues more and more people who didn’t move in previous years will move now, because there are enough people here to make it worthwhile.
I think the main difficulty of a site replacing Reddit is that Reddit clones are now a-dime-a-dozen.
Which makes a federated system like lemmy even more competitive.
I’ve given lemmy a try 3-4 times over the last couple years. And I think that presently it is getting fairly close to a big enough crowd that is very usable and is comparable to what reddit was like in 2008 when I switched from Digg.
To be honest. Lemmy doesn’t need to out compete reddit or whoever. It just needs to be competitive. Not having the brain dead mainstream masses over here is not a loss. However, people have always moved to the platform with more liberty when most other aspects are the same. Otherwise reddit would never have been a thing. Most people were over at Digg for a reason. They only moved to reddit when Digg gave them enough reasons to leave.
Thing is, I’m kind of settled with the idea that Reddit will still win out monetarily with this. 99% of users are going to take the path of least resistance, which is kinda expected.
So my goal is more around just having a good conversational community, and I kinda like the change in pace now that I’m using alternatives. I don’t really focus on “Reddit losing”. I just like having a good place to chat. It might be funny to see if they end up reversing course, but I’m not losing sleep on that turnout.
Same. We have seen nothing but reddit shitting the bed. If people are still staying everything, they’re not as likely to leave. If this doesn’t do it, then that’s that. The subs I would consider stating for are dead. Emulation has a post from yesterday, and then 5 days ago. EmulationOnAndroid is still private. Sad to see the community not there anymore, since it was a great way to keep up with everything that was going on, but if they don’t pick up here I’ll just watch some YouTubers and move on.
That is my feeling. I want Lemmy to be good, so I hope a lot of quality users jump ship from Reddit, but if Reddit retains the millions of passive users, then I’m happy for Reddit to keep them. One part of Reddit’s issue was the diluted quality of posts and comments, so let it continue to exist to filter people who want that experience. ___
Yeah it sounds harsh but once a subreddit got above 100k its quality inevitably took a nose dive unless this was actively moderated against which it usually wasn’t. Lurkers are fine in general but when the whole platform is mostly lurkers looking to doomscroll TikTok style rather the lurkers wanting to read (and upvote) decent high-effort content it all goes down the pan pretty quickly.
If Reddit’s role in the Fediverse is as a great big sponge to soak up the passive users who just want quick content then long live Reddit! Spez staying on as CEO and increasingly zombifying the platform is actually great for us because it will drive active users here and keep the passive users on Reddit.
I’m ok with the smarter people forming communities elsewhere like Lemmy. Reddit brain drain will definitely be a thing. It’s going to be the new Facebook when this is all over.
I don’t know where reddit’s going from this, but I agree that the main focus should be what happens here. Seems like it gave the userbase a nice boost, and that’s mostly it.
Reddit won’t come out on top. They’ll survive, but it’s going to hurt them. They seem to have pissed off most communities on the site. It’s the largest protest they’ve ever had.
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It’s just a question of if it sticks or not. Will people complain and mods relent or admins intervene and oust mod teams for a new batch of dummies? I feel the answer is yes.
I really hope this doesn’t happen, but I fear the same. Often these corpos will just bet on people being lazy, forgetting how bad the scandal was after a few weeks/months, and just roll over for them.
I just hope Reddit utterly collapses as a message to the wider industry, but I doubt it will and even if it did, I think the message would likely fall on deaf ears.
Reddit doesn’t run a profit yet, so all they need to achieve is enough to get into the black. Like Twitter, Reddit I don’t think will crash and burn but the quality will drop dramatically. Reddit doesn’t care about quality long as there’s enough users on the site to make the paid ads have value. In the short term I think they’ll succeed in that but it’s going to turn into a cesspool.
But if those up for actual conversation and vaguely respectful debate come over here & leave the trolls and the karma farmers with Spez then that’s a great result!
Should be noted, Twitter is actively crashing and burning and may file for bankruptcy this year.
…And Mastodon seems to be a much nicer place to be than Twitter, even if it is a smaller “community”
But if those up for actual conversation and vaguely respectful debate come over here & leave the trolls and the karma farmers with Spez then that’s a great result!
Excellent point. Those of us who actually value conversation will make the effort to find, sign up for, and learn another platform. For the trolls and karma farmers, that’s just too much trouble. There will still be enough targets on Reddit to satisfy trolls, plus we’ve got the sunk cost fallacy working for us: karma farmers would lose their precious karma by leaving. Reddit is much more bot-friendly, too.
Thanks for being a greedy jerk, spez! Reddit is serving the Lemmy community as a bullshit filter!
True, to hell with them. I’ll do me.
out of curiosity, what alternatives are you using? im only on lemmy rn but i wanna try other stuff out
I also signed up to kbin. Can’t give opinions yet, because I just started using both of these.
Depends on the quality of the first-party mod tools and if enough mods stick around. Reddit doesn’t work without free labor. It’ll be overrun by spam and trolls.
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People jumping ship will no longer be commenting or posting new content, so hopefully there are a few big hitters.
What I’m really hoping for is a lot of the mods to leave or go on strike. There’s only so many people who are willing to do the work for free, especially qualified people who care about the content.
Oh what a crap-fest it was
Liar liar, spez’s pants on fire
That AMA was honestly hilarious… I don’t know what i actually expected, but this was better. Not only did the CEO go after Christian in the comments, but he also admitted that reddit isn’t profitable, lol. This may not seal the deal for reddit, but i wouldn;t be surprised if spez was out of there just based on this PR disaster.
One can only hope! I bet if they can him they still won’t even consider changing the course though.
Yeah, agreed… This decision is above the CEO and even if they budge a little on the API, they definitely don’t revert course.
I don’t think it was a secret that reddit wasn’t profitable yet, but the way that was posted twisted as a nasty way to take a jab at 3rd party apps was awful.
I mean, have a proper answer ready. Most people would absolutely understand that as a company they need to be “profit driven” to become sustainable as long as they had really open & honest communication with as much notice as possible about changes.
There seems to be this counterproductive instinct by (some) CEOs to just keep silent… it’s not the screw ups that sink you… it’s the lack of communication on it that does. This AMA somehow actually managed to make it even worse by pretending to be ready to talk and then responding with this kind of crap.
I don’t understand what it was he hoped to accomplish with it. Nothing new was stated and all it did was make things worse. It was worse than half assed too.
The fact that he was so upset about being recorded was hilarious.
My favorite was the claim that Christian “leaked” the recordings - like it was surreptitious and he wasn’t supposed to do that. Lololol uh, no, he released the recordings, which were his, legal, and he had every right to do. Reddit got caught with their pants around their ankles, again!
In the comments, though, ReddPlanet’s developer (u/lupeski, aka Tony Lupeski) said “this is a blatant lie,” noting that he had tried multiple times to get in contact with Reddit regarding these changes and had been ignored. Another indie app developer said they had filled out a request for Enterprise API access three times and had received no response. They’re not even giving api access to people who could pay. What lying shits.
Pro tip: if you’re doing a line break, you need to add two spaces at the end of the previous line if you want the next one to actually break.
It makes it look like this.Or you can press enter twice, which looks like this.
And yeah, if they breathe, they lie. That’s the commonality between Steve and his cronies.
Thanks for the heads up; I should have used the preview button.
Fuck Spez.
Im waiting for the Internet Historian video on this
Me too, its gonna be good to see his retelling of all of this shit
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I’m so excited to see Huffman burn his company to the ground. I don’t think I’ve ever wanted someone to fail as much as him.
I just hope there is any fallout from this. I really hope start mass migrating off reddit, and people don’t begrudgingly return a couple days after all of this dies down
I very much doubt there will be.
They have crunched the numbers, they know they can weather this storm.At the end of the day there will still be natural growth of reddit via people hearing about it and just grabbing the official apps from stores. A lot of techy types will leave, but they haven’t been the driving force behind reddit for a long time.
Reddit will just start heading more towards influencer style content and less of the content that originally built the platform.
My guess is that influencer style content is more profitable and less hazardous for them to host anyway.
I won’t be going back (reddit user since the digg v4 fiasco)
I actually prefer the smaller communities, so lemmy is a breath of fresh air
Same just needs a few more people and a few more niche communities and we’re set.
Honestly, after coming to Lemmy, I haven’t looked back.
fuck reddit man My account was created the same time as Apollo, and now we’re leaving it together
Rexxit seems to be picking up speed.
Seeing a lot more posts about deleting comment history.
I created my account here because of this. Was on Reddit for over ten years. Won’t be using Reddit after June 30th. Trying to figure out what to do with the (smaller, but over 150k subs) subs I moderate now then I’m out.
A ‘small’ portion of the Reddit community used Apollo & RIF (and other third party apps), but those were the power users and mods.
There will for sure be some fallout.
I’d say if you can private them and leave reddit and spez don’t deserve the content
I am personally leaving, friends/family also leaving. And Im blocking it on my network, and we got a “lets do it” to block it on our corporate network (1900+ employees). But everyone said “likely leaving”. Kbin maybe about to get the hug of death! May launch a selfhosters one! Lets do this
Wow blocking on work network not to stop wasting time but because of frustration over api is rly funny
Here’s what I think will happen.
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Spez will forcibly depose and ban moderators who participate in the blackout and install his own yes-men to reopen these communities. A lot of power users will fold and jump back to Reddit’s side, out of fear that they’ll lose their foothold on the site.
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Communities like /r/RedditAlternatives will be banned by the admins, along with the communities of any alternative social media platforms that are in direct competition with Reddit. Some subreddits focused around Lemmy instances have already been purged by the admins and I see them quadrupling down on this.
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Reddit sheds a few million of its active users but the API changes and death of third-party apps don’t completely kill the site because now it’s pretty mainstream and a lot of people actually don’t give a shit about Apollo, RIF, etc. I think the main difficulty of a site replacing Reddit is that Reddit clones are now a-dime-a-dozen.
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Porn-focused communities decide to leave the site and start their own website (perhaps a Lemmy instance or a standalone site that aims to compete with places like Fansly or OnlyFans), because they see the exclusion of NSFW material from the API is a precursor to a total porn-ban.
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Reddit announces its IPO and still raises a lot of capital.
Would any power user ever want to touch reddit with the longest pole if the first half of point 1 happened?
No, but are power users necessary? Most of the front page subreddits are just “post whatever you want here” and they have more than enough 14 year old posters to keep the site saturated.
Power users are more likely to use more server resources and less likely to see ads. They probably specifically do not want them.
That’s a good point. I associate power users with niche subjects and generally higher quality posts, so I’m interested to have that demographic move here. I don’t really care about front page content, so maybe it’s win-win then :D
It would basically transform into a Facebook platform if anything, so it’s easy to see how it can begin it’s very slow decline.
Reddit is already Facebook 2.0
The glory days of the site are quite behind it. And that’s not just me being nostalgic or moody about the current climate. Reddit had an enormous influx of Facebook and Instagram users over the years and the content started to reflect that. It’s specifically apparent on the default pages with looser rule-sets like r/Pics. Like, selfies without context became normalized.
It’s funny hearing about the decline of Reddit so much this past week because I was mostly ignorant of any of it. I’m pretty quick to prune any subs where I wansn’t enjoying the content coming across my feed, so I wasn’t subbed to many of the big subs. (And the big ones I had were very narrow in scope, which helps.)
I guess I noticed the decline in quality in specific subs, but my general experience with quality on-topic comments has remained fairly steady.
Actually, I remember the decline in Reduiquette was really noticeable about a decade ago, but that’s old news.
Indeed, it’s old news. And I should have gotten out years ago, but alas…
Looks like #2 is starting to get realized: https://beehaw.org/post/487504
There are about 13k moderators participating in the blackout IIRC - I don’t think reddit will have the resources or the community goodwill to take over all of the major subs
Isn’t moderation an unpaid volunteer gig? I agree. He’s gonna have a hard time finding a bunch of people who can /will jump at the opportunity
- Someone will discover an old episode of The Simpsons where somehow, all of this already happened.
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Fuck spez what a piece of garbage human.
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That’s why I just registered here and it’s my first comment.
I’ve been on Reddit for 9 years. I just deleted all my posts and comments and then deleted my account. Good riddance, I say!
The AMA was just an obligation. It was never going to change his or anyone elses mind.
He knows the reality. This change won’t kill reddit. It will make it more controllable though, at the sake of some of their more techy users. The truth is that its big enough that they don’t need those users anymore though. The people who do leave will be replaced by the natural growth of the site of people who simply download the official app from the various stores over the next few months.
The result will be a more TikTok/Tumblr/Twitter like experience. Less niche, more mainstream serving.
I think it will convince a lot of people who are not fully engaged with the issue, at least enough to decide not to leave any time soon. If you look at his actual AMA post, there is a lot to placate people on certain aspects, e.g. accessibility. Most redditors didn’t even know third party apps existed until a week ago, so they won’t care too much about losing those.
But agree with you that they no longer care about the “hardcore” users. Reddit is definitely in an enshittification spiral, but it’ll probably take years to play out.
Except… they’re pissing off the moderators and removing their tools. Also the top submitters.
When the moderators and top submitters leave, what’s the content that will keep the bulk of the users doom scrolling? There will be a higher proportion of bot-submitted content, and a larger proportion of undesirable comments. Combined with the inline ads and dark patterns, only ignorance and inertia will hold the remaining audience.
It definitely will retain some level of an ad-watching userbase, but will it retain enough for an IPO and long-term survival? Spez & co. seem to be looking at Twitter and hoping they can do at least as well.
This got me to check out Reddit alternatives… Landed on kbin… so here we go?
Same. It got me to oficially jump over to Lemmy. Reddits been veering downhill and always wanted an alternative. Kind of glad all this got more people to Lemmy etc.
I landed on lemmy first, then I found out about kbin over there. I’m glad for the Fediverse because I don’t have to lose the ability to continue to participate in the community and not be tied to one website. Now, if they could figure a way to import the subscribed list from my old account, that would be icing on the cake.
Same here! Just so I understand, it doesn’t matter if you choose kbin or Lemmy, the content is the same? What about Mastadon? Is that also combined into this same network?
They all implement ActivityPub which is just the protocol used to move everyone’s posts and such around to any other server that’s supposed to receive it. So yeah, you can use Mastodon to follow Lemmy or kbin magazines. You can also do the opposite where you follow Mastodon users from Lemmy/kbin. As long as the blog uses ActivityPub federation, you can ingest that content in to whatever other compatible service you want.
I will say things get a little weird if you follow on a service that presents that information in a drastically different way, but it is doable.
I feel old and out of touch. 15 years of being Reddit only, and now I have no idea what half of those words mean or how these services work. Hah, time to do some learning again
I’m still trying to figure that one out lol
Also, what’s boost?
I’m here for the same. Let’s hope this place has what we’re looking for, eh?
Yeah but if we don’t see a community/magazine we want (that exists on reddit), do we take it upon ourselves to start it or do we wait for the mods of the reddit sub to create it?
There’s no guarantee they’re going to come over, so I’d say make it yourself. You can always add them in the future if they do make the switch and still want to be a mod.
I for one had modded for r/beards and r/moustache and decided to make a moustache community over on lemmy.ml. Anyone is welcome to join!! Moustache community on Lemmy.
Do you really want a ton of super mods here too?
So far I’m in the wait and see camp, especially until the apps actually shut down on the 30th. In an optimistic view where this site takes off (I don’t even know what that means in a federated situation. Aren’t the instances fracturing communities? Posts transfer but it doesn’t seem comments do…), moderation of huge magazines would be incredibly time consuming and difficult, I imagine.
Yeah that’s a really good point. Hopefully we (or someone) can get this figured out with a good solution
Also +1 for that marathon pic
Admittedly the system is a bit confusing as far as UX goes. I’m a fairly nerdy gal and am familiar with servers and software packages and “instances”, and I’m still having issues wrapping my head around the UX.
For example. I’m on Kbin, federated with Lemmy instances. Which is working obviously. But how do I go about discovery of networks and instances and communities within those instances from Kbin? That seems possible but to an uninitiated user, not exactly the simplest thing. None of this is a dealbreaker for me, but what about others? Am I the only one not quite understanding how it all slots together interface wise?
No, you are definitely not the only one. I explored this style of social media for the first time several months ago because of what was going on with Twitter.
I got confused pretty quickly and ultimately decided it would be easier to just quit Twitter and use Reddit only, even though I would be giving up things I liked about Twitter.
But now we’re here, so I’m trying again. Still confused tho
At least we have a reason to push through that confusion and try to make the best of what we figure out now.
I wish you luck!
I’m new too but I thought I read boost is like a retweet
