• doehni@lemmy.world
    3·
    3 years ago

    😄👋🥂🌱

    I really hope the momentum holds and the numbers will continue to grow!

    I’m really excited to be here, Lemmy feels like reddit in the golden years (long gone).

      • Sens@feddit.uk
        1·
        3 years ago

        Have to agree, I don’t really mind how many total users or active users there are at this point, there’s enough talk to engage in proper conversations now

        • philz@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          3 years ago

          Yup finally seeing a lot of good conversations now. Which was really always the best part of Reddit.

    • KidsTryThisAtHome@lemmy.world
      1·
      3 years ago

      I completely agree! And I don’t think we’ve really started to see people leave reddit yet, that’ll happen when the 3PAs stop working

    • CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social
      1·
      3 years ago

      I do expect that it will taper off eventually and then drop for a bit before leveling out (not being pessimistic, it’s just a simple fact that much of the current growth of Lemmy, or for that matter kbin or other reddit alternatives, is due to people leaving reddit, and eventually everyone that wants to leave who is willing to consider this place will have come over, so the growth will stop or at least revert to a more “normal” pace, and not everyone will end up liking Lemmy, and so there will be some fraction of people that don’t stay long once the hype over people moving from reddit has died down). However, it should still stabilize somewhere much higher than things were before the migration, so my hope is that it gets enough momentum that the number of people that remain when this incident is over is enough to sustain a functional community.

      • Phil@lemmy.world
        1·
        3 years ago

        Realistic assessment but the way reddit’s ceo is going ,I think we will see more exodus 1st july and again shortly after that, I do think reddits bad news train has only just left the station.

      • InfiniteVariables@lemmy.world
        0·
        3 years ago

        There won’t always be this level of growth like the past week but I think all the ingredients are there to say that the number of active users will continue to increase indefinitely. 0.18 will probably also increase engagement from everyone already here, on top of the steady flow of new users we’re already seeing.

    • lunarshot@kbin.social
      0·
      3 years ago

      agreed, I have found that interacting with content here has been more meaningful and the interactions to be more welcoming. Happy weekend to you!

  • Clbull@lemmy.world
    2·
    3 years ago

    Lemmy has a lot of obstacles that will prevent it from truly going mainstream:

    1. The community browser is complete dog shit for discovering content on different instances, and trying to view another instance’s content from your own community is just needlessly complex. Discoverability is still a lot better than Mastodon though, where you’d look at all post and see nothing but hentai reposting bots regurgitating stuff that isn’t even allowed on NSFWLemmy…

    2. Due to the nature of federation, you also run the risk of committing to an instance only for them to defederate entirely, or disassociate from content you want to see but they don’t agree with. Beehaw is a very good example of this.

    3. As there’s no option (yet) to migrate to a different instance, and Lemmy is a FOSS project that cannot be monetized in the same way as a traditional social media site, what happens when instances start shutting down due to being unable to keep up with server hosting costs?

    4. I cannot speak for the iOS option available, but Jerboa is barebones. For example, you can’t even tap on a post/comment reply in your inbox to go to that comment’s permalink and view the context. This is incredibly basic functionality for any social news aggregator. Even with the fediverse in general surpassing 150,000 users, I don’t see Lemmy getting the same level of third-party app support as Reddit had.

    • Dandroid@lemmy.world
      1·
      3 years ago

      you can’t even tap on a post/comment reply in your inbox to go to that comment’s permalink and view the context.

      You can, but only in the latest version. It takes multiple taps, though.

          • Clbull@lemmy.world
            0·
            3 years ago

            Yeah… I don’t get any of the icons below my inbox messages. And according to Google Play, I have the latest version of Jerboa.

            This is on a OnePlus 9 Pro, Android version 13 (OxygenOS.)

            • Dandroid@lemmy.world
              0·
              3 years ago

              The latest version is 0.34, and even though it was released almost a week ago, it still isn’t on Google Play AFAIK. Google Play has a vetting process that takes time. It’s to make sure people aren’t putting malware on their store. I ended up uninstalling from Google Play and installed from GitHub. It’s less safe, as someone could theoretically sneak malware into the codebase, but I guess I like to live dangerously.

    • theblueredditrefugee@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      1·
      3 years ago

      undefined> what happens when instances start shutting down due to being unable to keep up with server hosting costs?

      Well idk about you guys but self hosting is always an option. Not easy, but an option

      • socialjusticewizard@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        3 years ago

        4 is already fixed in the alpha of jerboa, and the functionality is there but got accidentally hidden in the current version. You have to hold-click in your inbox to see context. These kind of hiccups are normal in a very new foss browser.

    • Airazz@lemmy.world
      0·
      3 years ago

      A lot of these issues are temporary. Also, this is all happening very fast, it’s entirely possible that some other website/service will pop up that’ll be a lot better thought out.

      Reddit was already well established and functional during the Exodus of Digg, so there wasn’t much discussion about where to go. Today we have no solid alternative, so people are trying Lemmy, Kbin, Mastodon, Squabbles and other websites.

    • redminer@lemmy.world
      0·
      3 years ago

      These are all valid complaints, but I feel like you need to put this into perspective. This platform has blown up in the last week, change is going to come but it’s going to take some time. I’m sure it will go faster now that it is really taking off though.

    • BananaTrifleViolin@feddit.uk
      0·
      3 years ago

      These concerns are valid.

      Some are transitory however - 1, 3 and 4 all reflect the current state of Lemmy and the similar Kbin are in currently. The Reddit issues were unexpected and people have migrated en masse to Lemmy/Kbin and have found was is in many ways Alpha software. This issues will mostly be resolved with time, and that is probably accelerated now as more people means more people interested in development, and motivated by anger at Reddit. I don’t think Lemmy/Kbin will replace Reddit right now, but I think a new trajectory has been set. Communities are hitting critical mass to keep growing.

      Look at Mastodon, it’s at 1.2m-2m active users each month; it is still small fry and niche compared to Twitter but it exploded thanks to Twitter’s mess, and is growing. I think we’re seeing something similar with Lemmy and Kbin, but this is just the start of a long road and an expanded community will accelerate improvement and growth.

      But point 2 is fundamental to the fediverse - fragmentation due to defederating could be a concern. I get Beehaw’s motivation but I think their actions will consign them to a niche part of the Fediverse, but that may be what they want. Ultimately I suspect the biggest servers will dominate a main interconnected fediverse through sheer size and notoriety - new servers will need to federate to the big players to grow. It’s not necessairly a bad thing - but people may end up signed up to a “main” large interconnected “fediverse” and separately to smaller niche communities they’re interested in but sitting in their own walled gardens/bubbles. It’s not necessairly a bad thing though - it is just different to what people are used to with social media like Reddit. It’ll be a trade off - servers and communities have complete independence and some will go for what suits them - part of a big fediverse or only federating to smaller aligned communities.

    • daniskarma@lemmy.world
      0·
      3 years ago

      Server costs are not as high as Reddit made us believe. You can probably run a 10 user instance for less than 10€/month.

      If the instance is good donations could keep it up forever, not even expensive donations. Certainly a fraction of what reddit is asking for reddit premium.

      • zouden@lemmy.world
        0·
        3 years ago

        If the fediverse gets very big, won’t your instance need a lot of bandwidth and storage to sync all the content?

        • daniskarma@lemmy.world
          0·
          3 years ago

          It’s requirements will grow, but it’s still mostly text and some images. Mastodon is kind of big (not twitter big but bigger and more active than lemmy) and there are people still self hosting their instance and there’s lots of donation supported instances.

          I think fediverse being instance-oriented should scalate well. As no instance really needs to hold the whole thing by its own.

      • Clbull@lemmy.world
        0·
        3 years ago

        It’s one of those times where I wish I learned programming/computer science and not History and accountancy.

        • daniskarma@lemmy.world
          0·
          3 years ago

          I studied something completely unrelated with computer science. I started with programming and then with general computer science and now I know a lot of things and I’m quite probably going to land a job in IT field next year. It’s never late to learn something new.

          • Clbull@lemmy.world
            2·
            3 years ago

            Coding is hard though, especially when you go past the basic tutorial stuff (Hello World, if statements, for/while loops, libraries, etc.) Actual computer science and understanding all the technical and mathematical aspects of computing is orders of magnitude harder than writing some C# or Javascript code.

            Last time I actually tried to make an effort to learn how to code was back in the days when /r/CarlHProgramming was still active, long before Carl Herold was arrested on heinous child sex crimes.

  • Nihlan@lemmy.world
    2·
    3 years ago

    Lemmy gives me that new frontier feeling. Win 98SE times was the last time i felt it.

  • kbtaco@lemmy.world
    1·
    3 years ago

    Dumb question but have some people double dipped? I started on Lemmy.one and then created an instance on lemmy.world after realizing I couldn’t downvote.

    In any case I’m enjoying this more than Reddit!

      • Margot Robbie@lemmy.world
        0·
        3 years ago

        Voat was actually pretty nice back in the day, smaller than Reddit but has its own niche communities, until the Pao thing happened, Voat committed to absolute free speech, and subs like FatPeopleHate and other subs banned from Reddit moved there, and then slowly it turned worse than /pol/ and the full front page was literally covered in Nazi slogans and N-word.

        Then nobody wants to host such a horrid pool of toxic sludge anymore, and they shut down.

        • SSTF@lemmy.world
          1·
          3 years ago

          I think voat was a, and this is cliche phrasing, boil the frog situation by Reddit.

          Reddit kicked all of those worst people off and they migrated to voat before tightening again and pushing a lot of good faith users off. I remember being in a wave of people trying voat but when my wave arrived, the worst elements of Reddit had beaten us to it and had critical mass.

          I think the fediverse situation is somewhat different since a large wave of good faith redditors have been pushed off in the last few weeks, and found Lemmy without it having a critical mass of awful people. At the end of the month, when 3PA shut down I’m sure there will be another wave of redditfugees and when they arrive, they’ll find this place as it is now so won’t be immediately repelled, unlike how I was repelled from voat.

    • socialjusticewizard@sh.itjust.works
      0·
      3 years ago

      It’s a lot more challenging to have that happen with federation, I think. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be actively vigilant of course, but there are a lot more centers they’d have to seize control of individually.

      • Slashzero@hakbox.social
        1·
        3 years ago

        Are we allowing emojis here?

        You need permission to use emojis? 🤔

        Oh, you mean in the sense that “emojis = downvotes” on Reddit. I still used them on Reddit anyway. 🤷‍♂️

        BTW: you can use : shorthand for emojis, in case you didn’t know. 👍

        • Reoru@lemmy.world
          0·
          3 years ago

          In my opinion emojis are great for casual discussions and they convey a little playfulness.

          For more serious topics they might be a little inappropriate or appear out of place for some people.

      • polaroid@kbin.social
        1·
        3 years ago

        Grow 🌱🪴 up ☝️👆

        Edit: jk I misinterpreted I thought you were raging about them lmfao

        I need to grow up

      • I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social
        0·
        3 years ago

        I don’t care much about the emoji option, but the ability to add an image to a reply without having to do it manually through imgur etc is something I’ve wanted for years!

  • Rhaedas@kbin.social
    1·
    3 years ago

    I’m sure there’s no way to tell, but I wonder how many are duplicate accounts to span different instances.

    • Aurix@lemmy.world
      1·
      3 years ago

      I think the best way to judge success is to look at the overall engagement and that one is very high.

    • mykl@lemmy.world
      0·
      3 years ago

      Yeah, if I’m anything to go by, you’d need to divide these figures by at least three to get to the number of new people. Still, it’s not a bad start.

    • trent@kbin.social
      0·
      3 years ago

      You could probably find some ways to get a few of em but i don’t know.
      You shouldn’t really need more than one or two accounts tho. Talking from kbin :)

        • person@feddit.deEnglish
          0·
          3 years ago

          I’ve heard SOME people are using a separate account for consuming highly unchristian forms of media, DEFINITELY not me though

        • hotdogcostanza@lemm.ee
          0·
          3 years ago

          If say, someone in Beehaw wanted to interact with Lemmy.World, they’d have to make an account on Lemmy.World or some other instance that hasn’t defederated

        • runefehay@kbin.social
          0·
          3 years ago

          One possibility is an instance shutting down. Many instance admins are good about giving lots of notice, but sometimes that doesn’t happen.

          In fact there has been at least one instance on the fediverse which the admin disappeared from the internet, and their instance just slowly degenerated until it stopped working. Were they hit bt a bus? Who knows.

          • Poiar@sh.itjust.works
            0·
            3 years ago

            Big instances might want to have some contingency plans in place. This sounds like something we should all be aware of

        • 🇺🇦 seirim @lemmy.pro
          0·
          3 years ago

          Using different accounts to route around and still access content at instances that defederated from your original account’s instance.

          • Gex@discuss.tchncs.de
            0·
            3 years ago

            You can still view content from instances that defederated from your instance as long as your instance didn’t block them.

              • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works
                0·
                3 years ago

                In my experience, yes. I can see BeeHaw’s content event though they defederated from my home instance a couple of days ago. I’ve also commented on some of their posts, which is weird…

                • minimar@lemmy.world
                  0·
                  3 years ago

                  Your comments won’t show for beehaw or other instances, only people on your instance can see those comments.

  • throwawayforratings@lemmynsfw.com
    1·
    3 years ago

    For perspective:

    r/GothStyle has 159k subscribers, r/tarot has 306k, r/cycling has 348k, r/rpg and r/political humor have 1.5m each, r/ExplainLikeImFive has 22.3m, and r/AskReddit has 41.4m.

    Make of that what you will. I’m just giving numbers.

    • noodle@feddit.uk
      1·
      3 years ago

      This is interesting.

      Obviously, I don’t have stats on things like the % active accounts vs inactive and such, so this is pure speculation.

      If you look at the hot sorted posts on r/GothStyle they seem to get around 100 or so points per post. Note, this isn’t a direct translation into upvotes. It also says there is 145 people online - Does that mean roughly 2/3 of active users vote stuff to hot? ~100 people holding up a niche community with a fraction of those the posters themselves.

      So in effect ~0.1% of a subreddit’s subscribers makes things happen. I always baselessly suspected that Reddit fluffs up the numbers to make engagement seem like it is much greater than it is, but this is 1000x smaller than the sub count suggests.

      I’m sceptical of my maths here but r/PCMasterRace is similar. Out of nearly 8mil subscribers, roughly 8000 online.

      • throwawayforratings@lemmynsfw.com
        0·
        3 years ago

        It also says there is 145 people online - Does that mean roughly 2/3 of active users vote stuff to hot? ~100 people holding up a niche community with a fraction of those the posters themselves.

        For this, it’s important to remember that’s the number of people online at that very moment, but the vote count is persistent. Any number of those upvotes could have come from users who aren’t online presently, but had been online an hour or two prior. ~66%, in this case, is not the actual amount, it’s just the upper bound.

        I always baselessly suspected that Reddit fluffs up the numbers to make engagement seem like it is much greater than it is, but this is 1000x smaller than the sub count suggests.

        It’s possible, and very plausible, that they do this, but it’s much less plausible (though still possible) that they do it to that degree.

    • Overzeetop@lemmy.world
      0·
      3 years ago

      The difference is in the active number of content creators and participants. It’s nice to have a sub with ten million followers but if Gallowboob is the only one posting and his 250 bots are the only ones voting it’s just a popular Twitter account. That is good for ad revenue but shit for interaction.

      Give me a vibrant, intelligent, argumentative (in a good way) 100,000 over a passive ten million any day.

      • throwawayforratings@lemmynsfw.com
        0·
        3 years ago

        As far as presenting raw data goes, I’d be interested in seeing numbers on what percentage of subreddit subscribers are actual active users. If 90% of the 1.5m subscribers on r/rpg are bots and inactive accounts, then the remaining 10% of real posters is roughly equal to the 150k on Lemmy. That is, at least, assuming Lemmy doesn’t have any bots or inactive accounts. I’d be interested in seeing the numbers for that, too.

    • froggers@lemmy.world
      0·
      3 years ago

      Doesn’t really mean anything. Facebook has around 3.4 billion active monthly users. Reddit has around 400 million. I’d still take the latter than the former. Lemmy will keep growing. Probably will never have 100s of millions of users and that’s fine. More users can be a good thing but by itself the numbers mean nothing.

    • DulyNoted@lemmy.world
      0·
      3 years ago

      Massive numbers of users is great for a business, but not necessarily great for discussion.

      Lemmy doesn’t feel like Reddit, but in a good way. Individual comments actually stand out, and it’s not a sea of lowest common denominator trash and reposts.

      I think people should stop conflating big numbers with success. If anything, we’ve seen the kind of nonsense big numbers lead to, with an IPO on the horizon and all that comes with that.

    • airportline@lemmy.world
      0·
      3 years ago

      It’s much more difficult to sign up for a completely new website than it is to subscribe to subreddits on the site you already have an account for.