• queermunist she/her
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    251 year ago

    The war has been going on long before Hamas attacked; ending the war means ending the occupation.

    From the river to the sea.

      • queermunist she/her
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        1 year ago

        What else is Hamas supposed to do?

        It’s easy for us to sneer down at them from some ivory tower about morals and whatever, but practically speaking their only other choice is to lay down and die.

        • @dannoffs
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          91 year ago

          “All violence is unjustifiable”-type liberals are incapable of understanding the situation. Every single suggestion of what Palestinians could do instead has been tried and tried again.

          • @Telorand@reddthat.com
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            11 year ago

            And how many children do you suggest should be sacrificed upon the altar of war to achieve peace? What number is justifiable to you? Because what you’re intimating is that Hamas, not Palestine, was justified killing Israeli children because Palestine had it done to them. And that is such a reprehensible position to take.

            The situation is fucked up, but that doesn’t mean there’s a justifiable reason for either side to kill civilians. Palestine deserves to be free, and killing innocent civilians shouldn’t be the path to achieve it.

            • @dannoffs
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              11 year ago

              You’re so close to getting it. Without Israel’s ongoing genocide there is no Hamas in the first place and without the Netanyahu government’s intentional propping up of Hamas it would have never been in a position of power in Gaza. Every drop of blood in these terrible events are on Israel’s hands.

        • @vivadanang@lemm.ee
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          11 year ago

          murdering women and children is never the answer, even if Israel is doing it. Fuck, Hamas murdered people who were lifelong two state supporters of Palestinian rights, multiple people who worked for decades to help Palestine and de-escalate the violence. Hamas just confirmed to the world they’re the bad guys. Sure, Israel under Netanyahu is evil, but that doesn’t mean you want to join their evil fucks club.

          • queermunist she/her
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            1 year ago

            A lot of those women were IDF reservists and veterans. Women aren’t children, don’t lump them together. It’s not more sad when women die, and it’s not less sad when men die. That’s paternalism.

            It is sad that children died, but settlers (and yes, even two-staters are settlers) shouldn’t be bringing children to their settler-colonial occupation. The so-called two-state solution presupposes that Israel should be allowed to steal some land instead of all land.

            Now answer the question.

            What the fuck are they supposed to do? Because to me? It looks like it’s either fight or die.

            • @vivadanang@lemm.ee
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              11 year ago

              what are they supposed to do?

              not fucking murder children. don’t descend to the depths your enemy has just because they’re ultra fucking traumatized. going both fucking ways.

              • queermunist she/her
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                -41 year ago

                That’s not an answer, that’s a platitude.

                Give me a fucking answer. Name a thing they could do where there is no risk of civilian casualties. Literally anything.

                Or do you want them to just lay down and die nobley?

                • @vivadanang@lemm.ee
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                  11 year ago

                  NOT FUCKING MURDER CHILDREN.

                  That simple. If that’s a platitude you need to get fucked.

                  Things they can target without murdering children: IDF soldiers, IDF watch towers, IDF fences, IDF facilities, you know

                  FUCKING COMBATANTS YOU VILE CRETIN

                  “oh israel is evil so killing their children is justified” just makes you as evil as they are. I pity the Palestinians: with allies like you, there will never be peace.

                  • queermunist she/her
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                    They did target soldiers and IDF infrastructure. It’s not really their fault that IDF reservists and veterans being children to their settler-colonial occupation.

                    It’s sad children died, but that’s Israel’s fault for putting them on stolen land.

      • @vivadanang@lemm.ee
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        11 year ago

        it doesn’t, but it also puts Hamas firmly in the ‘will commit war crimes’ category. Hamas does not have Palestine’s interests at heart. And fucking BIBI KEPT THEM IN POWER.

        FUCK HAMAS. FUCK NETENYAHU. THEY BOTH NEED TO GO.