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THROWBACK cross-post from: https://hexbear.net/post/49520
Seriously tho these people can’t be serious, right? Like this has to be a fucking op
THROWBACK cross-post from: https://hexbear.net/post/49520
Seriously tho these people can’t be serious, right? Like this has to be a fucking op
I mean the history of human civilization between the advent of class society and the 18th century also had no evidence to support the “real life” viability of liberal capitalist rule.
Even then, for the first century of its existence, if you consider the number of failed revolutions that saw re-establishment of monarchial/theocratic rule, its failure to liberate slaves, engaging in the same imperialist tendencies as feudal states, violently squashing dissent, the constant market crashes, the corruption of the ruling class, the failures of political leaders to adhere to the constitutional law that they themselves wrote etc…an observer living under a prospering monarchy in the 1800s could also very well say
Then, when the old feudal powers, for a time, were able to innovate their structures to accommodate industrialization, (domestic) slavery abolition, and demands for suffrage, they might also also comment
These traps of thought termination can be avoided by studying the dialectical materialist analytical method developed by Marx and Engels (and continually expanded by later generations), derived from examining the interactions of socio-economic forces within Feudalism that birthed Capitalism, and applying that study to the historical development of liberal capitalist society to sus out the transformative tendencies that would come to dominate the next major epoch of human civilization, broadly conceptualized as Communism.
In short, Communism isn’t simply a set of “wouldn’t it be nice if…” ideas. It’s an observation of the evolution of human relations. Sometimes specific branches die off like the Soviets and Parisian communards, but there isn’t such a thing as a “perfect stage” that evolution stops for, and it certainly isn’t Capitalism. That doesn’t necessarily rule out some third alternative, but so far it has only materialized as fascism and techno-feudalism, and neither to a Marxist are changes at all because the productive relations remain strictly Capitalist.
I completely agree the world will drastically change in the future, but that doesn’t offer any proof that
It didn’t fail because of a few correctable factors that will eventually line up through evolution, tech advances or change of leadership. Much more accurate to say that the next stage will inevitably contain some parts from earlier stages. That’s just nature of evolution.
Well yeah, that’s not really a curve ball - it’s literally an aspect of dialectical materialism that I described.