What forest is being missed for what trees by saying “I am not safe and cannot participate if you, the movement of the people, do not do anything to prevent the spread of a virus among the people that does cumulative, permanent damage to the whole body and at present has no cure or treatment”? Please tell me.
The “forest” is the obvious fact society’s cavalier attitude toward covid is not the fault of the left and certainly not the fault of whatever individual popular leftists ticked that user off, but instead of grappling with those basic facts and constructing an analysis that can lead to actionable practical corrections made by both orgs and individuals, the libs in that thread want to moralize ad nasuasum as if the wider left is in any position to dictate health policies for anything other than the most irrevleant spaces
but instead of grappling with those basic facts and constructing an analysis that can lead to actionable practical corrections made by both orgs and individuals
It’s not a matter of “we can’t be expected to either” and more a matter of accounting for reality and doing something other than moralizing at the void
And the reality is that masks are easily procured and distributed where it is possible, which is a fair amount of places! You can read my other posts in this thread about what this looks like “in reality” if you are actually curious about this and not just doing the abrasive internet argument thing, which I am not hopeful is the case. Just about every urban center in the US and then some has a COVID-aware mask bloc very eager to help any group or demonstration with logistics, supply, and education when it is wanted. Guess when it is wanted, and by which organizations? The answer is never, and none. That is not a matter of logistics and lack of holistic analysis, but a matter of will. None of you think this matters enough to do something about it when the doing is indeed very doable. When’s the last time you wore a mask, or did anything to help mitigate the spread of COVID in your organizing? I can probably make a good guess: not anytime in the last…I’ll say 4 years, at least? But nothing has materially changed since then, except that disease has gotten even worse around the board, which sounds like even more of an argument in favor of being militant about the prevention of its spread. Respirators are in fact easier than ever to come by. They practically give them away surplus now, and there’s nothing functionally wrong with them. Where is your analysis? Where is your action?
And the reality is that masks are easily procured and distributed where it is possible, which is a fair amount of places!
Are you telling me or American Society in whole? I mask, you think you’re gonna tell me something I don’t already know?
That is not a matter of logistics and lack of holistic analysis, but a matter of will
Well you better hope that’s not the case, cause if it’s a battle between your will and the dumb atomized mass of American society, then you’re gonna lose
So maybe we should take the need to perform a holistic analysis a little more seriously
Where is your analysis?
There’s no united left media ecosystem that can provide a counternarrative to the dual threats of covid denialism and liberal post-pandemic assurances, orgs serious about combating these scourges should be collating long covid data and testimony and sensationalizing it at arenas of media virality like town halls and school board meetings, a mirror strategy to the right’s anti-woke crusades at local level during the Biden years…that’s just the start
Are you telling me or American Society in whole? I mask, you think you’re gonna tell me something I don’t already know?
Did you know that? By the rest of your posts you seem more concerned about “scolds” on the wrong side of the fence correctly criticizing a blind spot in your movements than the fact that these cadres exist and do this work you are now telling me is impossible and also not happening. Are you helping to make it happen?
Well you better hope that’s not the case, cause if it’s a battle between your will and the dumb atomized mass of American society, then you’re gonna lose
…and they say I’m a “doomer”! Then what’s the point of any of this? You’ve proven the scolds right.
…and they say I’m a “doomer”! Then what’s the point of any of this? You’ve proven the scolds right.
You do understand organizational success is independent of your individualistic WILL? Covid denialism is the result of organization, not willpower, so unlike the scolds in that thread we collectively have to counter-organize against it. And we don’t do that by blaming covid denialism on the left…
Hence, we’re back to seeing the forest instead of the trees, which was my whole point the entire time
…they’ve repeatedly talked about their work in covid organising why are you acting like they arent organising? Your behaviour is uncomradely and reeks of bad faith.
What forest is being missed for what trees by saying “I am not safe and cannot participate if you, the movement of the people, do not do anything to prevent the spread of a virus among the people that does cumulative, permanent damage to the whole body and at present has no cure or treatment”? Please tell me.
The “forest” is the obvious fact society’s cavalier attitude toward covid is not the fault of the left and certainly not the fault of whatever individual popular leftists ticked that user off, but instead of grappling with those basic facts and constructing an analysis that can lead to actionable practical corrections made by both orgs and individuals, the libs in that thread want to moralize ad nasuasum as if the wider left is in any position to dictate health policies for anything other than the most irrevleant spaces
“Society doesn’t do it so we can’t be expected to either” is not the justification I would use when talking about supposed groups of revolutionaries.
It’s not a matter of “we can’t be expected to either” and more a matter of accounting for reality and doing something other than moralizing at the void
And the reality is that masks are easily procured and distributed where it is possible, which is a fair amount of places! You can read my other posts in this thread about what this looks like “in reality” if you are actually curious about this and not just doing the abrasive internet argument thing, which I am not hopeful is the case. Just about every urban center in the US and then some has a COVID-aware mask bloc very eager to help any group or demonstration with logistics, supply, and education when it is wanted. Guess when it is wanted, and by which organizations? The answer is never, and none. That is not a matter of logistics and lack of holistic analysis, but a matter of will. None of you think this matters enough to do something about it when the doing is indeed very doable. When’s the last time you wore a mask, or did anything to help mitigate the spread of COVID in your organizing? I can probably make a good guess: not anytime in the last…I’ll say 4 years, at least? But nothing has materially changed since then, except that disease has gotten even worse around the board, which sounds like even more of an argument in favor of being militant about the prevention of its spread. Respirators are in fact easier than ever to come by. They practically give them away surplus now, and there’s nothing functionally wrong with them. Where is your analysis? Where is your action?
Are you telling me or American Society in whole? I mask, you think you’re gonna tell me something I don’t already know?
Well you better hope that’s not the case, cause if it’s a battle between your will and the dumb atomized mass of American society, then you’re gonna lose
So maybe we should take the need to perform a holistic analysis a little more seriously
There’s no united left media ecosystem that can provide a counternarrative to the dual threats of covid denialism and liberal post-pandemic assurances, orgs serious about combating these scourges should be collating long covid data and testimony and sensationalizing it at arenas of media virality like town halls and school board meetings, a mirror strategy to the right’s anti-woke crusades at local level during the Biden years…that’s just the start
Did you know that? By the rest of your posts you seem more concerned about “scolds” on the wrong side of the fence correctly criticizing a blind spot in your movements than the fact that these cadres exist and do this work you are now telling me is impossible and also not happening. Are you helping to make it happen?
…and they say I’m a “doomer”! Then what’s the point of any of this? You’ve proven the scolds right.
You do understand organizational success is independent of your individualistic WILL? Covid denialism is the result of organization, not willpower, so unlike the scolds in that thread we collectively have to counter-organize against it. And we don’t do that by blaming covid denialism on the left…
Hence, we’re back to seeing the forest instead of the trees, which was my whole point the entire time
…they’ve repeatedly talked about their work in covid organising why are you acting like they arent organising? Your behaviour is uncomradely and reeks of bad faith.