I’ll say it again: We need to disenfranchise older people from voting. They have no stakes in long-term decisions and they’re hurting us. Yes, my mom is a racist piece of shit who voted for Trump three times. Yes, she’s hurting us. Yes, I cut her off for doing so.
Same, but they do have interest in the social entitlements that they think only they deserve. Unfortunately, people are too inclined to “other” people and we can’t trust them to take care of our elderly and vote for their wellbeing.
To what? keep elaborating. Remember when we were told that gay rights to marriage was a slippery slope? to what? their answer was people marrying animals, because that’s what they think about gay people. What would this be a slippery slope to? we already limit the voting rights of adolescents and children, convicts serving crimes, active service military personnel. People under 30 cannot serve political offices in most of the world, in the US you cannot be president if you are too young, or a senator at 29. What would make this one instance different is we were to say, for example, people over 80 years old shouldn’t vote. There are parts of the world where judges, and other public offices have forced retirement ages. Why is the US the only country wheeling people on the brink of death to the senate floor on literal medical beds?
There’s no such thing as nationalizing the vote. That’s fascist talk, we can agree with that.
But you do realize that the US is in this mess because people have been frozen into inaction by the perception that fighting back is just as bad as first hostility? This has frozen critical thinking and effective political activism (I have seen it work in other countries as well). There are healthy democracies in the world that work perfectly fine and are healthier because they have sensible limitations on voting rights and decision making procedures. You cannot have everyone vote, it is stupid. It is letting the Nazis into the bar. In the end you have a Nazi bar. You let irrational idealism run amok (unlimited freedom!) you end up right where the US is right now.
The US hasn’t been a democracy for several decades now, stop trying to pretend it is and actually start to fix it. Unlimited freedom is not a good value, a moral and well functioning society needs limits on people’s freedoms and rights, so they don’t curb stomp on other people’s freedoms and rights. The problem is how do you draw the lines. The US just gave the chalk to the KKK and the democrats think it would be impolite to wrestle its control back. The US is doomed to become a dictatorship or a country in civil war because of this attitude you express. “Uuuh, you are saying the same thing as Trump” Idiot! Trump will spout any shit that keeps him in power, his words should never be taken seriously. Just accept he is a bully authoritarian and stop taking up his bullshit. Stop being reactionary to everything he says and start actively building the democracy that is needed to have a truly functioning country. Trump is a symptom, the disease has been running its course since two or three decades before Reagan. I have seen other countries run this road, and it is always accelerated by reactionaries who have no other thought to offer than freeze in place out of fear.
I’ll say it again: We need to disenfranchise older people from voting. They have no stakes in long-term decisions and they’re hurting us. Yes, my mom is a racist piece of shit who voted for Trump three times. Yes, she’s hurting us. Yes, I cut her off for doing so.
Same, but they do have interest in the social entitlements that they think only they deserve. Unfortunately, people are too inclined to “other” people and we can’t trust them to take care of our elderly and vote for their wellbeing.
I cut my folks off too. It sucks.
Slippery slope
To what? keep elaborating. Remember when we were told that gay rights to marriage was a slippery slope? to what? their answer was people marrying animals, because that’s what they think about gay people. What would this be a slippery slope to? we already limit the voting rights of adolescents and children, convicts serving crimes, active service military personnel. People under 30 cannot serve political offices in most of the world, in the US you cannot be president if you are too young, or a senator at 29. What would make this one instance different is we were to say, for example, people over 80 years old shouldn’t vote. There are parts of the world where judges, and other public offices have forced retirement ages. Why is the US the only country wheeling people on the brink of death to the senate floor on literal medical beds?
You’re saying the same thing Trump is saying when he says the government should nationalize voting for 15 states.
Voting rights isn’t a war we should fight unless we are fighting for every citizen.
There’s no such thing as nationalizing the vote. That’s fascist talk, we can agree with that.
But you do realize that the US is in this mess because people have been frozen into inaction by the perception that fighting back is just as bad as first hostility? This has frozen critical thinking and effective political activism (I have seen it work in other countries as well). There are healthy democracies in the world that work perfectly fine and are healthier because they have sensible limitations on voting rights and decision making procedures. You cannot have everyone vote, it is stupid. It is letting the Nazis into the bar. In the end you have a Nazi bar. You let irrational idealism run amok (unlimited freedom!) you end up right where the US is right now.
The US hasn’t been a democracy for several decades now, stop trying to pretend it is and actually start to fix it. Unlimited freedom is not a good value, a moral and well functioning society needs limits on people’s freedoms and rights, so they don’t curb stomp on other people’s freedoms and rights. The problem is how do you draw the lines. The US just gave the chalk to the KKK and the democrats think it would be impolite to wrestle its control back. The US is doomed to become a dictatorship or a country in civil war because of this attitude you express. “Uuuh, you are saying the same thing as Trump” Idiot! Trump will spout any shit that keeps him in power, his words should never be taken seriously. Just accept he is a bully authoritarian and stop taking up his bullshit. Stop being reactionary to everything he says and start actively building the democracy that is needed to have a truly functioning country. Trump is a symptom, the disease has been running its course since two or three decades before Reagan. I have seen other countries run this road, and it is always accelerated by reactionaries who have no other thought to offer than freeze in place out of fear.