I had a better way of articulating it, but I went with that.
So for the longest time I felt like I shouldn’t give people reasons behind an answer because you can put in the reasons behind it can sway their decisions. Also I know that I had incomplete data set. Humans do lean on each other to think and you can inject what idea and have it spread.
To attempt something more coherent. You can do propaganda when you try to reason. It’s just natural to talk as if they know and just bridge the gaps in their knowledge with any old phrase
If you’re not using deception, or trying to elicit strong feelings, you’re definitely in the clear. I’m not sure if I’ve ever heard a dry, completely logical and factual argument called a manipulation, and if I have, that was itself a deceptive manipulation.
After that, it’s a normative term, so there’s a grey zone. Sometimes, deception is actually socially expected. At the other end of the spectrum, “nobody else will love you” or gaslighting someone to think they’re crazy are definitely manipulative. In between you might have things where opinions vary.
Interesting I want to illicit strong emotions (mostly right wingers and now Lemmy users :-P).
Dry and factual argument could be a misnomer. There’s data and the argument would presumably transfer raw data into something humans can understand. Like simulation of a bridge falling apart would be a spreadsheet effectively but it could be rendered into a video or a text description.
But that’s just “the world is different than your experience” nonsense