• Hotznplotzn
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    2 days ago

    The EU is doing the opposite. France is fast-tracking laws to penalize pro-palestinian speech and protests as “extremism”.

    EU approves new sanctions on Israeli settlers over West Bank violence

    France joins EU sanctions pressure on Israel

    France bans Israeli minister Ben-Gvir from entering country

    This is a small sample from the last few weeks. What European governments and the EU are doing against Israel is by far not enough, but your statements are outright wrong and misleading. The EU is not “doing the opposite.”

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      I disagree, and can prove that’s not the case.

      Ben-Gvir’s treatment is very much the exception and not representative of the treatment of Israel as a whole by countries such as France and Germany.

      the banning of all Palestine support demonstrations and rallies by his interior minister Gerald Darmanin. Though an obscene violation of freedom of expression and assembly for human rights defenders, Macron went on to justify the ban, further refusing to acknowledge Palestinian suffering.

      From https://www.newarab.com/opinion/frances-repression-palestine-solidarity-isnt-working

      While it shows french people are still protesting, it’s clear what the state’s stance on the issue is.

      https://www.tni.org/en/article/germanys-crackdown-on-palestine-solidarity

      Furthermore, despite the “settlement import ban”, the EU is still trading and/or doing business with companies that are on the BDS. More than just that, they are still trading weapons with Israel. Such “sanctions” are therefore merely a namesake in passing and nothing more.

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        This is not a proof but a continuation of a smear campaign using half-truths and disinformation. You pick and choose details to form a anti-Western, anti-democratic narrative while in other threads you are downplaying atrocities by China and similar regimes.

        As a European, I am not happy how governments in Europe respond to Israel, but what you are doing is authoritarian propaganda.

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          I quite literally gave you sources the same way you gave me yours.

          If that’s disinformation and cherry-picking, then you did the same thing.

          Also, you have not been able to give me a source that said that the EU (specifically France and Germany in this discussion) has indeed 1) not cracked down on Palestine protests and 2) doesn’t trade with Israel.

          Not being able to do so is an admission of these points being true.

          Furthermore, I have been vehemently against the Chinese genocide of Uyghur people and the the various other crimes against humanity done by the CCP. This applies to NK and other communist countries too. You may not be seeing these show up as well on other threads because tankies keep banning me for it. Though if you’re saying I “downplayed Chinese atrocity”, I’d like you to quote me.

          You’re self-victimizing to avoid holding the EU accountable and deflect sourced criticisms.

          This is an attack on the states, not the people themselves.

          Furthermore, democracy is a joke (so-called “democratic” parties only exist to serve the nation’s elite and they’ve proven this time and time again), and I have nothing against the west in particular (besides its role in colonizing much of the world), you can expect to see criticisms of just about any country from me.

        • Gorgritch_Umie_Killa@aussie.zoneM
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          Bit rich to call out someone for propaganda with your anti-China posting record. Focusing on the negatives of China amounts to the same effects as you claim of the other user.


          Since I find you commenting today, i’m interested, why is your posting subject so focused on the single topic? Ie, ‘China bad’.

          I ask because if you really are passionate about that subject, then I’d argue you’re failing on persuasion. The impersonal posting of article after article casting China in a negative light has undermined the argument, and made youre account look like propaganda to be ignored and passed over.


          One thing I will say is, you’ve always (from what I’ve seen) kept to reasonably reputable sources for these posts. Which is why I’ve rarely drawn attention to your account like I do today. I inly do so today because I don’t often come across your comments.